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Old 03-08-2009, 02:33 PM   #21
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Real rape issues:

The member who opened the Raped Celebrities thread asked if the thread could go on and no moderator objected, as a matter of fact I allowed it.
This decision might have been ill-advised, I still stand by it however.
For future reference members should take the same step, the original poster took - ask a moderator before starting something like that.
Real rape has been banned on RB - with the exception of our Real Rape thread. Maybe it should be an absolute rule, maybe individual decisions should be made.
I'll wait to hear other members' thoughts as well.
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Well, he voiced underage interests and received his fair warning for it. I agree - his statement was above and beyond disgusting but in the end he was a member who broke the board rules and, accordingly, received his warning.
Well what the heck...I haven' stirred anything up for a bit.

If that is not a ban one and done then I have a hard time understanding your one time bans. It is above disgusting and above breaking board rules.

It is not like a person being rude to another and lets wait to see if they calm down adjust behavior.

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There is no debating paedophilia is despicable and doesn't belong on RB but I do not want to start banning people randomly without giving them at least one chance to adjust their behaviour.
Huh? Randomly? I am talking about just the people that want to act or bring their actual pedophile thoughts and desires here. One chance to adjust? I didn't see that poster adjust after your warning.

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I think - when discussing our resentment of paedophilia - we are a rape fantasy board and not only do we have members who have been molested as children but also members who have been raped when they were adults so we cannot "protect" member group a while allowing member group b to be objected to "regular" rape fantasies.
That is the difference...we are an adult rape fantasy board to be exact. If adults that were raped as adults can't handle being here(Sorry how that sounds) then they will leave.

We are not a fantasy pedophile site. So they should be protected by the mods of this site in my opinion. Spam and sexual content like pedophile should be banned immediately.

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Banning subjects simply because they may offend members is a rather difficult path to walk on a rape fantasy board.
In the end underage topics are banished and they will stay banished for certain. Immediately banning everyone who approaches the subject remains a mistake in my opinion.
So...do you feel being tolerant for pedophile posts and other type of illegal sexual acts not phrased in a fantasy type of thought...would be healthy for the future of this board? I wonder how law enforcement would view this board. What they would think this board is about if it tolerates that.

I don't quite understand why banning people on the subject is such of mistake. I have seen the ban button for other reasons use a fair amount in my 10 months here. For other issues than content.

I won't disagree standards are tough to draw up but some should be common sense. I also have nothing but respect for the mods here but this where I stand on this issue.
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Old 03-08-2009, 03:40 PM   #23
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I think a case by case approach shows common sense. Go read the real rape thread again RLA, half the posters in there should be banned according to you because much of it happened when they were under 18. See it's not so black and white as you try to make it.

The warning system is a good idea so long as it is applied. Should a poster be discriminated against because of how they broke that first rule? I think not. Introducing blanket bans for this or that is the wrong road to go down. I've recently seen that sort of thing destroy a once popular forum.

The moderators should be given leeway to apply the rules with discretion, they were obviously chosen in part for their ability to use common sense. Hard and fast rules for everything will make their job harder not easier, because as soon as we have a new rule for one thing, some people will start clamouring for a new rule for something else. Next thing you know this place will be a graveyard because the life and soul of this place - it's most colourful posters will no longer want to post here.
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+1 for everything FR just said
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I think a case by case approach shows common sense. Go read the real rape thread again RLA, half the posters in there should be banned according to you because much of it happened when they were under 18. See it's not so black and white as you try to make it.

The warning system is a good idea so long as it is applied. Should a poster be discriminated against because of how they broke that first rule? I think not. Introducing blanket bans for this or that is the wrong road to go down. I've recently seen that sort of thing destroy a once popular forum.

The moderators should be given leeway to apply the rules with discretion, they were obviously chosen in part for their ability to use common sense. Hard and fast rules for everything will make their job harder not easier, because as soon as we have a new rule for one thing, some people will start clamouring for a new rule for something else. Next thing you know this place will be a graveyard because the life and soul of this place - it's most colourful posters will no longer want to post here.
Oh, God.... it's finally happened. I agree with absolutely everything FuckingRotter just said. *faints*

Seriously, the mods here do a good job. In fact, most of the "rules" here are simply custom for this forum, and I'm OK with that. The "mod discretion" banning was the last piece to be put in place, and it's a good one. I read Stern's reasoning behind allowing that celebrity thread and see her point.

I was offended beyond words when that pedo piece of garbage posted what he did, but banning someone for a first breach of the rules is a slippery slope. Banning spammers is different - if someone is selling purses and watches he's unlikely to become a contributing member.

If they banned everyone here who said something out of line, this thread would not be necessary because, as FR says, there would be nobody here to break the rules. I might violently disagree with some of the things said here, or even be offended or sickened by them. However, in the spirit of this forum I think everyone deserves a second chance and the fact that I am offended or sickened is irrelevant.
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I think a case by case approach shows common sense. Go read the real rape thread again RLA, half the posters in there should be banned according to you because much of it happened when they were under 18. See it's not so black and white as you try to make it.
No my friend you need to read the purpose of the real rape thread.

It is for posters to tell their story not for people to get their rocks off. That is the difference. It is the only thread on this board not specifically or at all for people to make sexually orientated posts. So that doesn't apply.
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The warning system is a good idea so long as it is applied. Should a poster be discriminated against because of how they broke that first rule? I think not. Introducing blanket bans for this or that is the wrong road to go down. I've recently seen that sort of thing destroy a once popular forum.

The moderators should be given leeway to apply the rules with discretion, they were obviously chosen in part for their ability to use common sense. Hard and fast rules for everything will make their job harder not easier, because as soon as we have a new rule for one thing, some people will start clamouring for a new rule for something else. Next thing you know this place will be a graveyard because the life and soul of this place - it's most colourful posters will no longer want to post here.
I respect your point of view and agree with it but...all I ask is there to be clearer guidelines for content not acceptable. As stated I am not sure how certain bans in the last 10 months can be justified and then we turn around and say...well we have to be liberal here or we will be a graveyard.

Pedophile posts are a whole different category than the fantasy consenual rape we should be talking about here.
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I think that there has been a number of debates that have raised controversy recently.

I have to agree with FR that the mods need the ability to take each case on it's merits, otherwise. Not only to stop the forum dying, but also because there are somethings that need serious adult debate.

Such as this debate on whether or not the type of porn we are into is responsible for an increase in child sex offenders.

http://www.rapeboard.com/showthread.php?t=21417

While on the face of this, it could be seen as glorying in child sex, it actually asks an important question, something which I proud to say gained adult responses from the posters.

But even though, in my opinion, this is something that we should have the occasional debate on, there was some understandable discomfort from some quarters.

My discomfort with the celeb rape story thread was a worry that some people were viewing with the same attitude that they would have read one of the stories in the same section. That is for a turn on. Maybe it would have been better moved to another section, the Real Rape section for instance.
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Before I go down a certain road...I will say I am done with this discussion. I just wanted to add an opinion I share with a couple of people I am fairly close with on this board.
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Quite right too RLA! No point getting bogged down in an endless round of restating our opinions. Hopefully this thread can save a lot of that nonsense.
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Since we are discussing issues...

I want to ask the mods and whoever else:

Why we allow someone who posts pedophile desires. Maybe the person is for real or they are trying to get a rise.

Either way...it is discipable to NOT ban the person. This is a fantasy board for consenual acts. Either way the person is posting illegal and immoral desires and that can only be bad for this board in the eyes of law enforcement and whoever. Those people are far beyond trolls and that is an element we don't need here.

How many well respected members do we have here that were molested as children for real? It is not a joke and it could be as I stated a legal issue if it is tolerated.

Every pedophile or pretend pedophile is an insult to those members on this board. There is a certain thread in the Rowdy Room...now closed but the member and his IP should have been banned.
This is not a new topic of discussion and/or even distress here at RB. We have lost members and Mods over this topic and the rules of the board have been changed to reflect a stricter stand on the issue over the years. That being said...the rules are as they are written. The issue you have is not with subject matter or the poster (who succeeded in his goal of annoying the members here at RB). The issue you have is with the rules of the board.

You state "Those people are far beyond trolls and that is an element we don't need here," and while I agree with you on the principle of the matter we as Moderators can't simply ignore the rules of the board. If the rules say that you get a warning then you get a warning...simple as that. Now, I was away when the initial post was written and I can't say that I would not have reacted differently or I should say over reacted according to the rules. It is an issue with me and I get upset. But the rules still state that there is a process here at RB and I don't think that anyone wants use to move away from a standard to situation where Mods simply decide "Oh ... he's banned"

Its a slippery slope that is...

In the past, I have been accused of holding to strictly to the "rules" in my bans and warnings. Now the impression I get from the comments above is that I am being chastised for enforcing board rules to lightly. Simply put, the Mods here enforce the rules as best they can while trying to keep in mind the myriad of personalities who populate our little corner of cyber space. If you have an issue with how underage is being handled by all means address the rule. But don't be upset when the rules are enforced fairly across the board.

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As for the Real Rape thread,i personally have always felt weird about it.I am 100 percent for people who have gone thought that to get help in any way they can.I also think i speak for all of us real members when we genuinely support the poster, but i have to say that im sure most lurkers don't.Im sure they get off to it and that pisses me off in a big way.This is a board about Rape Fantasy and that thread is for somewhere like R.A.I.N.N.(Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network).It's just my opinion but i don't want to see people i have become fond of taken advantage of and in a way abused again.
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DarkOne, I am one of the women who posted in that thread. It was an empowering experience, one that really helped me.

Am I aware that there are people out there fapping to the story? Yes, of course. And if it really bothered me that such sick and pathetic individuals got their jollies on reading about other people's real pain I wouldn't have posted. There is garbage on every street.

I can't speak for every woman in that thread, but for me the chance was worth taking and I am grateful to RB for providing the venue for it.
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Well im glad to hear that and it seems like a common response by those who do post in there.....

It just makes me mad to think of those who take advantage of that honesty.
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Well im glad to hear that and it seems like a common response by those who do post in there.....

It just makes me mad to think of those who take advantage of that honesty.
You know what? I don't care what they say about you. You really are a sweet man.
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Simply put, the Mods here enforce the rules as best they can while trying to keep in mind the myriad of personalities who populate our little corner of cyber space. If you have an issue with how underage is being handled by all means address the rule. But don't be upset when the rules are enforced fairly across the board.

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As far as rules enforced fairly across the board..."case by case basis" is mentioned a lot in how moderators work here. To me that is an admission that there is not a strict and true standard in many areas. That is all I was suggesting for certain content. Not sure how pedophiles would be a slippery slope...to each their own.
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The pedophile was finally banned, so we can table that particular discussion.

Someone call the fumigator please so we can get the stench off the forum.
Here here I 'll second that one.
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As far as rules enforced fairly across the board..."case by case basis" is mentioned a lot in how moderators work here. To me that is an admission that there is not a strict and true standard in many areas. That is all I was suggesting for certain content. Not sure how pedophiles would be a slippery slope...to each their own.
I appreciate your input so don't even think of not giving it any more!
The "problem" with underage fantasies (at least one) is the same one when dealing with rape fantasy: Not every single person who likes underage (rape) fantasy is automatically a paedophile, pretty much like not every man having rape fantasies is a rapist and not every woman who has them wants to be raped.
We've had adult women play an underage girl being raped by adult men in the RP section, those were all consenting adults. We had underage rape stories in the story section, written by adults and posted on an internet forum that doesn't grant access to minors.
It's not all about actually raping children in the real world (nor wanting to). That is my point, not condoning child abuse. Ad that's why I think the general subject isn't as clear as we might like it to be.
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Middle of the road here. As everyone has stated good points and all really feel their points are valid, which of course they are!

But the Mods here(unlike other places) are nothing but fair with everyone. No matter what their views or posts are. Of course no matter who or what Subject warnings must come first!

Then banning if they dont listen to those warnings. The Mods must follow the rules they have, as well as the members here must obey their rules too while we are posting here!
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Old 03-09-2009, 10:28 PM   #39
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I am sick of my posts being misinterpretted. I made a suggestion on an issue simply put.

As far as rules enforced fairly across the board..."case by case basis" is mentioned a lot in how moderators work here. To me that is an admission that there is not a strict and true standard in many areas. That is all I was suggesting for certain content. Not sure how pedophiles would be a slippery slope...to each their own.

I didn't misinterpret you ... I simply stated that if you have a problem with a rule on the board address the rule. Proposing a rule change rather than commenting on specific individuals.

As for the slippery slope, I was referring to the comment I made directly before that:

But the rules still state that there is a process here at RB and I don't think that anyone wants us to move away from a standard to situation where Mods simply decide "Oh ... he's banned"

I was not referring to pedophiles as a slipper slope.
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I am in total agreement with RLA. pedophiles Come here to get there rocks Off. I post FANTASY Incest. I try to make it as real as the People that follow my thread like. beond that I am a father and a grandfather I have had nor would ever have any type of incest with anyone in my family nor have I ever had a desire to.
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I would never post child incest or any type of child sex on this board or any other. In fact the boards that I do Moderate or have moderated in the past. I make it known that not only will I delete there post on SITE but I will also get there IP address and report them. The way I interpret the law is that If you knowingly allow this to be posted your as guilty as they are. There should be no "case by case basis" The post should be wiped, the Person banned with out hesitation, and there IP address reported that Is the responsible thing to do.
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