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Old 02-19-2018, 07:01 AM   #641
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Sounds like a good idea. I wonder if the EU will place a tariff on goods imported to Europe that come from the UK?
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Some economists are predicting a drop in the cost of living for the UK, if we remove EU tariffs on goods from outside the EU. EU trade policies are stringently protectionist, they make Trump look like a trade liberal by comparison. Tariffs are particularly high on manufactured goods and processed foods. Some think this drives poverty in the worlds least developed nations.

The imposition of tariffs on UK goods may cause us to reciprocate. The UK would be net benefactors of this as more EU goods flow in to the UK than UK goods in to the EU.

It is all a question of what is more important to the EU, protecting its federal ambitions, or looking after its citizens. The UK ought to have the upper hand in all this, except that we have a political class married to the European project.

Having a free port in Belfast ought to make the republic more amenable to the UK over Brexit too, but we shall see!
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Having a free port in Belfast ought to make the republic more amenable to the UK over Brexit too, but we shall see!
I think it will work both ways. I read a few years ago that every citizen in the Republic of Ireland spends at least €1500 a year on goods and services provided by companies in the UK. That's a market worth protecting.
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That is exactly my point. Having a free port in Belfast, coupled with a customs arrangement and continued free movement between the UK and Ireland, (which existed before both nations joined the common market), would mean Ireland could circumvent EU trade laws and benefit from the United Kingdoms global trade deals.

Easy to see why the EU have invented "regulatory alignment" or keeping the UK, and especially Northern Ireland, bound to EU trade rules, for as long as possible.

Of course, Sinn Fein will scream bloody murder if Belfast gets free port status. It could put the kibosh on "reunification" forever, because lets face it, people know when they're best off!
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The Daily Mirror today are reporting that the amount of paramilitary style punishment shootings doubled in 2017 to 28. At the highest level for 4 years, 25 were attributed to nationalist groups, 3 to loyalists.

9 shootings have been recorded in the last 3 months, which would set the 2018 total even high if the trend continued.
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If they are punishing scumbags like thieves, burglars etc. I wouldn't have a problem with it. Where I grew up, we could have benefitted from some vigilante justice dished out to those who deserve it.
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I can't condone that, it's time to take the gun out of Irish politics once and for all. That said, the fact that punishment shootings are up reflects the deep distrust large segments of the nationalist population has for the conventional police. The PSNI is an improvement over the Gestapo tactics of the RUC, but old habits die hard.

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Probably doesn’t help that dissident groups are making it their business to off Catholic coppers and screws. There can never be trust if death is the consequence of trying to establish law and order in your community.
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That's understandable and it might take much longer than 20 years for people to forget.
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Funny. I thought the official Sinn Fein line was that people should trust in, and cooperate with, the police? The taigs should do as their political masters tell them!
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Sinn Fein has been consistent in their condemnation of dissident violence, and support for the PSNI. However, the six counties is still a very tribal sort of place. Two to three generations of nationalists grew up with only the IRA to turn to for law enforcement. The RUC were not the people you called to report a crime, they were the ones who kicked in your door in the middle of the night, or laid a baton up side your head as you walked home. As i said, it going to take quite a while for attitudes to change.
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Not entirely accurate, as any one known to have talked to the police would have received a beating or a knee-capping from the Provis. That isn’t law enforcement, that is intimidation. What ever the faults of the RUC, the IRA was far from a force for good.
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You didn't get punished for talking to the RUC, the problem was more that they would have to send four armoured land rovers into west Belfast to investigate a hub cap theft. Knee capping was not that common, a serious punishment for a serious crime. If you informed on the provos the bullet was not delivered to your knee cap.
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So, a beating that resulted in a 3 month stay in hospital, followed by having to leave Northern Ireland and never return, is a fitting punishment for say, protesting against fox hunting?

Just an example.

A knee capping for burgling the "wrong" house is just? That isn't justice, that is revenge.

In the late 1980s, living in London, I knew dozens of kids that had been run out of Belfast especially by the IRA. It certainly wasn't a case so much of what you did wrong, as who you had wronged. These were kids living in squats, or doorways, under bridges, subject to the worst that London could throw at them. I won't be too graphic, but London in the 1980s wasn't a pleasant place for stray children.
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I can't swear to it, but I don't think fox hunting, pro or con was a hot button issue in west Belfast, the bogside or south Armagh. As to being told to leave Ireland, that choice was sometimes given to low level informers. The number of refugees fleeing state sponsored pogroms far out numbered anyone banished by the IRA.
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Continuing Sinn Fein's girl power initiative , Órfhlaith Begley, 26 has been put forward to take bread boys west Tyrone seat. The SDLP is the only real danger here, no unionist is going to get many votes in west Tyrone.
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I'm sure that would be a comfort to some poor teenager living rough along the Southbank.

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The Belgian government has reacted negatively to the European Unions "negotiating" plans for trade set out today, suggesting that the EU wants to annex Northern Ireland.

If the UK government agreed, the province would be in a sort of limbo, not being in the EU, but subject to EU law, with EU officials examining goods and monitoring movement of people coming from the mainland UK!

This seems to be their solution to maintaining a frictionless border with the republic.
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Have just been reading on Sky News website that MI5 has downgraded the threat of Northern Ireland terrorism to moderate, meaning an attack is possible but unlikely. This is despite the aforementioned increase in punishment shootings in the last year, and so far this year.

Does this mean that the UK government no longer views paramilitaries as terrorists, or have they already ceded territory to the EU, so that a kneecapping in Belfast no longer threatens the United Kingdom?
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Does this mean that the UK government no longer views paramilitaries as terrorists,
They probably don't give a fuck about the Nationalists punishing their own kind. They never gave a fuck about the Irish in the past, so why would they start to now?
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