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Old 06-17-2018, 10:35 AM   #821
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The Commonwealth Youth Games are the latest thing to fall victim to a lack of government in Northern Ireland. As civil servants continue to run the country, they have decided the games, a sort of youth equivalent of the Olympics, that would see athletes from all over the Commonwealth coming to Belfast, do not "give value for money".

Still, I suppose Sinn Fein wouldn't care, as it would be a practice run for what life in Northern Ireland would be like if it were absorbed in to a vassal state of a future European Federation, run from Brussels by unelected commissioners.
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The Commonwealth Youth Games are the latest thing to fall victim to a lack of government in Northern Ireland. As civil servants continue to run the country, they have decided the games, a sort of youth equivalent of the Olympics, that would see athletes from all over the Commonwealth coming to Belfast, do not "give value for money".

Still, I suppose Sinn Fein wouldn't care, as it would be a practice run for what life in Northern Ireland would be like if it were absorbed in to a vassal state of a future European Federation, run from Brussels by unelected commissioners.
Ireland has been a vassal state for centuries, the difference being the Irish north and south voted for their association with the EU. Not so with their domination from London. Last I looked Brussels hadn't shot down Irish civilians on the street or locked up a few thousand without charge or trial.

I will concede there are valid arguments on the leave side, but it is the choice of the Irish people. So far they have been crystal clear on both sides of the border to remain.
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unionist vs loyalist

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a Unionist, a person who perceives that their future and that of their family faces a better chance of quality of life by remaining part of the United Kingdom. I may disagree but a rational view point of view for intelligent debate.

a loyalist, slavish, canine like devotion to the British crown. Bonfires depicting nationalist leaders burned in effigy, racist marches in nationalist areas , racist, homophobic troglodytes who cant be negotiated with

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Old 06-23-2018, 09:53 PM   #825
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Brussels doesn't have an army yet, give it time. Worth considering though that the conflict in the Ukraine started when a democratically elected government rejected moves to form closer economic ties with the EU. The EU dominated G7 has since used that conflict as a stick to economically batter Russia with.

Ireland rejected the Lisbon Treaty in a referendum, and were simply made to vote again after receiving very weak guarantees over military neutrality. I think I already covered this?

Northern Ireland (as does the south) received millions in aid from the EU. Then again, so does Wales, which firmly rejected EU membership. Strangely, the devolved government there is insisting that Wales remains in the EU.

They are a very strange bunch, these European federalists, but still, you are right, if that is what Ireland as a whole wants, that is what they should have. I don't think I have written any thing suggesting otherwise in this thread? In fact I think I wrote some thing along the lines of "good fucking riddance".

Still, doesn't stop these Celtic nationalist types looking completely fucking ridiculous though, trying to marry themselves to an unelected civil service in Brussels whilst complaining about being governed from Westminster. Trouble is, as we have moved on from internment, and the troubles, Sinn Fein haven't. Whilst they are sticking their fingers in their ears and giving it "not listening", people are once again going without.

Northern Ireland can't legislate on abortion.

Northern Ireland doesn't have a law that guarantees education rights for deaf people.

Civil servants have decided to cut the province holding a large sporting event that was voted for by a democratically elected assembly.

But all Sinn Fein are bothered about is a few bilingual road signs and leaflets in doctors surgeries!

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Old 06-29-2018, 10:46 PM   #826
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news today that in county Armagh some fiendish young republicans set fire to a loyalist bonfire early, ruining their celebration of the 12th. Local DUP councilors are bleating about how this sows discord between the communities. Given the purpose of the bonfires is to celebrate centuries of loyalist domination and the dictatorship of the majority I'm not particularly disturbed by someone having a bit of sport with the loyalist pallet collection.
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Don't you mean "tyranny of the majority"? That was the term invented shortly after the EU referendum by the losing side!

It is actually a crime to light a bonfire without a license though. Sinn Fein were crowing about this very fact only a week or so ago when some unlicensed bonfires were getting taken apart.
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It should be a crime to lite the fires under any circumstances. Aside from the sectarian connotation, they are a fire hazard that destroys private property every year.
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Well, technically there are arson laws that cover the setting fire of just about any thing. Then again, a person should be able to light a fire on their own property without state interference.

Arlene has been in the news this weekend as the latest politician to call for building a road bridge from NI to Scotland.
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Relatives of the 21 people murdered by the IRA Birmingham pub bombings in 1974 have been to Northern Ireland to visit Arlene and Mary, in a bid to get official recognition of what happened in Birmingham on 21st November 1974.

The IRA has never officially admitted responsibility for the murders, but last year one of the suspects claimed that it was never the intention to kill, and that the deaths were caused by a delay in sending a warning message.

Erm, no, the deaths were caused by the IRA planting bombs and allowing them to explode. Seem to get this time and again with controversial IRA operations. "It wasn't us." "It was an accident." "There wasn't supposed to be any one around when the bombs went off."

As the pace to bring prosecutions against British Army members involved in civilian deaths in the province is stepped up, isn't it about time that the IRA at least began to shoulder responsibility for its actions, instead of hiding behind pathetic excuses? After all, the families of people murdered by Irish nationalists are as deserving of some form of justice as any one else.
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No one really disputes Birmingham was an authorized IRA operation. The botched warning resulted from the public phone to be used having been vandalized. The failure to ensure a secure method of delivering a warning would have in a conventional military been criminal negligence at the very least. So I'd agree the IRA should acknowledge it was them and issue a formal apology. That they would give up the volunteers involved, if their still alive, is just not going to happen.

However it's worth noting that if the police had actually done their jobs instead of scooping up six men whose crime was the possession of an Irish accent and then torturing them into false confessions, justice might have served back in 1974.

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There is a world of difference between not disputing some thing, and actually admitting it. May as well be telling me it was those renegades from South Armagh again!
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Did you read my post? I was clear the IRA should acknowledge it and issue a formal apology.
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They should offer up the names of the perpetrators.
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That's just not going to happen. Given that we've established that bombing was authorized the volunteers who carried it out were acting under orders. The men running the IRA in '74 have been dead for over a decade. For the current leadership to basically hand over men who followed orders to the enemy is an impossibility.
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Of course it's all academic anyway. The provos supposedly no longer exist. For the Army council to issue any type of statement, admitting that they're still around would create all kinds of turmoil and endanger the peace process.
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The peace process is a sham, and the one sided approach to justice makes it more so. As for the provos, just because they supposedly disbanded, does not mean the personnel ceased to exist.

British people deserve to know who all the killers are, not just the state sanctioned ones.
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A sham? How many British soldiers died in the north last year? How many bombs went off in British cities last year? Would you really prefer going back to the way things were?

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Belfast and Londonderry are both British cities, and I’m pretty certain we have discussed continued use of bombs and guns to terrorise the population of both those places in this thread.

Still, how many Catholic PSNI and prison officers have been murdered by the IRA since the official ceasefire? How many sectarian murders and punishments have been carried out on British soil by British citizens since the official ceasefire? When was the last time the winner of a democratic election was able to form a government in Northern Ireland without the say so of the second place party?

By the way, I suppose you missed the part about an IRA volunteer infiltrating the British Army and stealing weapons and explosives with the intention of supplying his comrades back home?
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The BBC are reporting the latest of a series of sectarian attacks that have taken place on the Fountain estate in Londonderrys Bogside. The Fountain is a small Protestant community on Londonderrys mostly Catholic west bank.

In this latest attack, petrol bombs were thrown in to the estate, and when police arrived they were attacked by a petrol bomb throwing gang.

Does that seem like a successful peace to any one reading? It seems like an attempt at ethnic cleansing to me!
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