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01-13-2011, 11:23 AM | #23 |
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Menace, I just read your first response and my jaw hit the floor.
You see America as a nation of people hell-bent on killing people of color? Really? And you live ... where? Oh, yes, that's right. South Africa. That bastion of racial equality. Menace, please tell me that your words were meant solely to stir things up and not a reflection of how you really feel. I've known you a long time and I would hate think I was so wrong.
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01-13-2011, 01:14 PM | #24 | ||||
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In later years, it always was the professional soldier that won the day for Lady Liberty, while American militia played the same part as all other militia formations throughout history, that of tavern heroes and war criminals. Quote:
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And where did you get that I'm defending criminals? If it's because I'm anti-racist, then I think you just made my point for me. And I'll bet that the low crime figures in your town and state have jack shit to do with guns and everything to do with social equality and an effective justice system, the real cures for crime. But I will say that an armed criminal scares me much less than a law abiding citizen with a gun. Quote:
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I do however believe that the root cause and driving force behind the bad sides of America is racism. If anything, living in South Africa has honed me to recognize it more easily. The locals here invest incredible amounts in security, living in prison of their own making but most don't use the PC term 'criminals', but flat out shamelessly admit it's keep out the blacks. Yep, South Africa is unique in the fact that the word 'racist' is spoken not with repulsion but with pride. The white kids go to expensive private schools because the government schools are for 'coloreds', and as a result of the two a high value is put on money, singing odes to capitalism and going in upheaval at the very mention of redistribution of wealth; Money is the last thing they have to keep them away from those "inferior", who in the time I have spent here have not found to be the least bit different to those "superior". When you speak your mind as often as I do, you make a lot of enemies and lose even more friends. Neither will deter me from this habit, but I hope you're not one of the friends I will lose. True though, I was upset to see the pro gun lobby of RB not being put into their place in an effective manner, so I decided to hit them where it hurts: in the real truth. I was actually worried that I nailed it so well they all ran for the high ground, but I'm overjoyed to see some have the guts to duke it out.
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01-13-2011, 03:49 PM | #26 |
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My opion not that its worth much is if someone wants to get a gun they will get one. Sure America might be easier than some, but that fact did not guaranty a shooting. I live in uk, stabbing is rife they ban carrying knives, but the stabbing continues. I think we should stop looking for an easy scapegoat and work on the issue. Banning is not the answer.
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American Militia lacked the training and discipline of soldiers with more experience, but were more numerous and could overwhelm regular troops, as at the battles of Concord, Bennington and Saratoga, and the siege of Boston proved. Seeking to coordinate military efforts, the Continental Congress established (on paper) a regular army in June 1775, and appointed George Washington as commander-in-chief. The development of the Continental Army was always a work in progress, and Washington used both his regulars and state militia throughout the war. France's government secretly provided supplies, ammunition and weapons to the revolutionaries starting in 1776, they did not openly enter the war until the Continentals' capture of a British army in 1777, that led France to openly enter the war in early 1778, which evened the military strength with Britain. Yes, Daniel Morgan was a tactical genius, born in New Jersey. The Continental Congress called for the formation of 10 rifle companies from the middle colonies to support the Siege of Boston, Morgan recruited 96 Militia men in 10 days, an outstanding group of marksmen nicknamed "Morgan's Riflemen." and marched them to Massachusetts for the Siege of Boston. He was a great American that contributed greatly throughout America's war of Independence. So your down play of the Militia's contribution and success in the war for Independence is just incorrect. There are other reasons for the right to bear arms other than enabling the people to organize a militia system, such as.. Deterring our government from becoming an totalitarian government, we yanks do not want our government to forget they serve us, not us them. The chief reason America has remained a free country is the widespread private ownership of firearms. Individual ownership of guns made the American Revolution possible. The principal purpose of the Second Amendment was to maintain our freedom from government. It is an insult to our heritage to imply that the Founding Fathers wrote the Second Amendment just to protect deer hunters. The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution states: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Polls show that up to 80% of the public believe citizens have a constitutional right to own guns. * George Mason: "To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them." * Richard Henry Lee: "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." Quote:
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01-13-2011, 06:50 PM | #28 |
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I honestly don't think there is a good solution to this problem, and people from both sides of the fence will always disagree.
I must side with those who think that banning guns will only hurt law abiding citizens, because lets be serious. Criminals who want a weapon will always find a way to buy them, and most that do have very unsavory reasons for wanting it. The only ones who will be barred from purchasing a weapon will be those who follow the letter of the law. My husband and I personally own 3 rifles, one of them a semi-automatic. The only way we would ever use them against another person was to protect ourselves if someone ever broke into our home and threatened our lives. I absolutely believe that we have every right to own and keep our weapons, as long as we are educated in how to use them. |
01-13-2011, 11:23 PM | #29 |
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Let me pose a question to all you gun banning left wingers out there. What if he got in his pickup truck and plowed down 20 people killing 6. When do we ban the cars?
You see if you think Guns are the problem your not thinking deep enough about the situation. As a long time member of the military. I can say with great confidence that if a madman is intent of killing/terror & destruction you have no way to stop him. No matter how much material you ban or items you make illegal.
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01-14-2011, 12:23 AM | #31 |
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You really hit the jackpot here Batffink. Well done!
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01-14-2011, 07:12 AM | #32 |
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Shucks, 'tain't nuttin'.
I've just found out I'm a left winger. (Or should that be left whinger?)
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01-14-2011, 08:54 AM | #33 |
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Apparently some nut is now blaming this kill spree on Satan and heavy metal music.
So.... If we ban guns, Ozzy Osborne, God, Satan, bleeding hearted liberals and stuck in the mud conservatives there will be nothing left to kill for right? Or we could just outlaw politicians save us the job of killing the innocent in the process of executing the guilty.... Just a thought, the USA is a nation of hundreds of millions, with a virtual civil war being held by gangsters to the south and a vast ungovernable border to the north. You could out law guns but that will only encourage more people to smuggle them. Where did booze come from during prohibition? Where did refusniks go to during Vietnam? All gun control will achieve is to criminalise gun owners, that is all.
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Take a look at North Korea. In a country of 24 million, 1.5 million are soldiers. That means every fifth man of fighting age carries an assault rifle, making North Koreans the most heavily armed nation in the world. By your standards, that country is the epitome of democracy And look at all the other examples where weapons empowered people to stand up to their governments: Italy 1922, 40 000 freedom fighters under the great Benito Mussolini stand up against oppression; Chile 1973, a small band of patriots overthrow the disastrously ineffective president and open a chapter of unprecedented freedom; Again in 1922, he famous expert on moral Eamon De Valera started the Irish civil war with the glorious sentence: "The majority have no right to do wrong!" after he lost the vote. I am not anti white, just against racial policies. And in the West, those come from white people. That's not to say these were the only ones in the world. China has a long history of racial laws, Japan not far behind. Black people, Native American...all can also be racist, but due to lack of economic power have not enforced their racism in forms of laws.
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A major weakness of the British cause was their lack of a clear strategy or objective. The Patriots were transparent in their aims; the quest for independence was without compromise or negotiation, the failure of British generals to understand this at the beginning of the conflict meant that they had insufficient troops and resources at their disposal and this certainly contributed to British defeat. Indecision and unclear strategy also had a damaging affect on morale, lack of confidence in the British cause spread to the highest ranks; Captain James Murray wrote in a letter home that he sincerely wished it was all over; “a barbarous business in a barbarous country ” and if Lord Montgomery’s theory that morale is the single greatest factor in war is to be believed, these sorts of feelings amongst the troops and officers were of serious concern. The American rebels on the other hand had everything to win by victory and everything to loose by defeat, where as the British could survive with or without the exploitation of the colonies. But that is enough of the history lessons, you should now get the point why we won our war of independence. Quote:
So when I use the term of "totalitarian government" I mean any system of Government where the individual is subordinated to the state, and opposing political expression is suppressed in an attempt to keep the populace in check. And I am not talking about the moderate "Blue Dog" or "Lunch Box" Democrat, for I believe most of them would agree with me. But we have steered off the subject of the banning of fire arms here in the US, and I would like to point out that congresswoman Gabby Giffords is a long time gun owner. You mean in the USA where we elected a Biracial President? In America you can be anything you want to be regardless of the color of your skin, if you're willing to work for it. Last edited by jwham; 01-14-2011 at 08:16 PM. |
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go jwham go!
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Wow, you elected the first non-white president in a land where white people have lived for only 400 years? Now that's minority action!
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But actually I think President Obama is starting to show great promise now that he is starting to lean towards the center and bailing out on his far left socialist buddies. He now realizes that the majority of Americans do not lean to the far left or the extreme right, but rather right down the center. The President said he's “willing to work with anyone of either party who’s got a good idea and the commitment to see it through.” and when he signed an $858 billion bill extending for two years the Bush-era tax cuts for all income levels he shown that he meant what he said, much to the dislike of the far left socialist. I think Obama is an intelligent, articulate man that has the ability to be a good leader as long as he continues to turn his back on the far left socialist in his party, (which in reality is only 20% of the democratic party) and continues to listen to the American people. Quote:
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01-15-2011, 11:18 AM | #39 |
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A good thread. I have read the posts and there really isnt much I can add but perhaps I can a put in a comment or two
Yes the 2nd amendment was written at a time in our history when the nation needed an armed citizenrey to help defend it, but that time has long passed. I am not saying it should be done away with, but there should be tighter limits on who has access to gus, especially hand guns. AND the accrutrement that go along with them... like the 30 round clips this nut was carrying. The people at the event subdued him as he was changing magz... if the guy had had only a 10 or 12 round mag far fewer people would have been killed and wounded. Perhaps that little angel who he killed would still be alive. My heart is breaking over her death. If there is anyone here who hasnt read about her, please do. This was a very special child, she would have made a difference in the world and we are all the poorer for her passing. The ban on assualt weapons should never have been allowed to lapse. The goddamned republican congress of 2004 is directly to blame for this, and indirectly to blame for the magnitude of the trajedy this past Saturday. Had that ban NOT been allowed to lapse the 30 round magz would STILL be illegal. Yet another example of how Bush and the Republicans fucked America. Now before my good republican friends here decide to lynch me let me say this. There are many great republicians, both in and out of government. The country needs them, needs their spirit, their drive, their wisdom. But something happened to the Republican Party during the first decade of this new century. (yes I am aware 9/11 happened but that doest excuse it, though it HAS become a cover for all sorts of shady republican deals) These are NOT Reagan's Republicans, they are something else. I am a Reagan Republican, was proud to be one, am still proud to be one. These days though, I look at what the party has become and I cringe. There are many people in this country who are on the verge of violence. Just look at the last election, there were attacks, candidates were haressed and threatened, black members of congress were spat apon on the very steps of the capital, party offices were vandilized, it was a horrible election. Not because of the outcome, but because of the attitudes and actions that were prevelent. This country has serious problems, and it needs serious people from ALL political leanings to come together and solve them. We need another Reagan, and I dont care what party he or she comes from. Someone who can shame us, challenge us, and make us put aside our differences and acknowledege our commonalities. Someone to remind us that we are ALL in this together and it's going to take the efforts of all of us to move forward. *Looks at his post* Damn, I had no intention of writing this much. HRH, my conservitive friend, lets go grab a beer and talk about better days.
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Some day they will look back on this generation and wonder how on earth we managed to fuck everything up as badly as we did. I'm not sure what I will tell them either. Was it was because we became so self centered and greedy? Was it because we wanted everything, right now? I don't know. I just know that I look around and don't like what I see. |
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