All german nazis?

[Luke rape stalker]

How do you think about this theme?

A long time i ask myself how the people in other countries think about the germans. Are we still all nazis?
For me i have to say: Its a horrible chapter in the german history and we must remember what happened. It was not right and nothing can forgive it.

But on the other side... its long long time ago, the most people who do this are already death.
Are the grandchild still guilty?

Please let me know and let me know what other people you know think about.

[Andering REDDSON]

¿What kinda jackass is saying this? ¡LEMME AD’UM! I’m also into cannibalism you know…

And for you HEATHENS who think this- The National Socialist German Workers Party (NAZIism) has been banned upon punishment of- ¿Was it life without possibility of parole, Luke? I really don’t remember…

A shipmate of mine’s a German, as in FROM GERMANY, and she actually- She didn’t take offense, per se, but she really didn’t like that I even broached the question. She was less upset about the time I grabbed her crotch, than that question (though that’s really not a fair comparison).

[Jasmine]

I think there are probably as many or more Nazi's in the US. No, I don't think anyone associates Germany with Nazi's. Beer maybe, but not Nazi's.

[MADDOGMCMANAMAN]

fuck the nazi's im definitely going to come to germany...when i was growing up i used to wtch the cable channels and german films i saw were always chock full of naked women......so i am definiteley coming.......PREPARE YOUR WOMEN!!!!!! LOL

seriously though in answer to your question every1 is responsible for their own actions and the idea that modern day germany should be held responsible for little moustache's crimes is absurd!!

[Sanitarium]

To be or became a Nazi lies in the heart not in nationality.
There are many "Nazi hearted" people all over the world. Just watch the late night news or read the papers every day and you will see what I mean.
German people is not a cruel nation, they never were I think.
And not all German Nazis were evil back then. Many of the Nazi soldiers became fanatics under the propaganda and others followed orders under fear. No Luke I don't see Germans as Nazis.

[shysnale]

Originally Posted by Luke rape stalker

How do you think about this theme?

A long time i ask myself how the people in other countries think about the germans. Are we still all nazis?
For me i have to say: Its a horrible chapter in the german history and we must remember what happened. It was not right and nothing can forgive it.

But on the other side... its long long time ago, the most people who do this are already death.
Are the grandchild still guilty?

Please let me know and let me know what other people you know think about.

man, I'm sure you're no nazi and I'd like to meet with you

[Louise]

What a curious thread Luke? I hope nothing has been said to make you feel this is a belief held by many!

If the people of Germany are still being held guilty for the Nazis then the British are guilty of joining the first world war which allowed the situation in Germany to become so desperate that the Nazis could come to power.

The people of Denmark should be guilty for the rape and pillaging of the Vikings.

The Italians held guilty for the destruction of the ancient Britons by the Roman army

The Spanish for the destruction of the Incan peoples

The Americans for the destruction and genocide of the native peoples of North America

The French for the chaos that Vietnam became

ETC ETC ETC!

History is to be learnt from...the question is have we learnt from our past?

[tnc4fun]

My dad fought in WWII, in 5 theaters of operation, including D-Day and the Battle of the Bulge. He was even part of a force that liberated one of the concentration camps. Lost a lot of buddies in 4 years of war.

He never talked much about his experiences. In the early 50's he said to me that you just forgive, carrying grudges never helped anyone. In fact he had great sympathy for the average German citizen. He saw the suffering their leaders had brought upon them.

Oh, and Louise, there were people in Britain before the Celts, Angles and Saxons. Wonder who wiped them out ?

[dashrendar44]

i gotta agree and disagree with yall on this one, because it depends on who your talking to. if its a rational and fairly intelligent adult, theyll prolly just reiterate whats ben said here. but back a year or 2 ago in high school when you learnt or talked about germany, boom, nazis would come right to mind for everyone and itd somehow get worked into the convo, no matter how far off base. then again, about 85% of that school was jewish, so whaddya expect? i personally dont think all germans are nazis, they certainly arent now and while a lot of them were forced into it in WWII many of them were volunteers as well. (i mean no offence by this, im part jewish so coming from me...) i personally think hitler was a pretty great man, not for any morbid reasons like genocide, thats stupid. hes always remembered for the nazis and evil, but people forget that he essentially saved the world! if it werent for him rebulding germany and starting the war all the other economies wouldnt of kicked into gear and the depression could of potentially ended civilazition, or at least put us back a large number of decades. germany was a really depressed country, what with their super depression, i mean come on, you needed a wheelbarrow of money to buy a loaf of bread! but he gave them reasons to be happy, albiet wrong and fleeting reasons. well, those are my two cents on this lol

[Louise]

Originally Posted by dashrendar44

ii personally think hitler was a pretty great man, not for any morbid reasons like genocide, thats stupid. hes always remembered for the nazis and evil, but people forget that he essentially saved the world! if it werent for him rebulding germany and starting the war all the other economies wouldnt of kicked into gear and the depression could of potentially ended civilazition, or at least put us back a large number of decades. germany was a really depressed country, what with their super depression, i mean come on, you needed a wheelbarrow of money to buy a loaf of bread! but he gave them reasons to be happy, albiet wrong and fleeting reasons. well, those are my two cents on this lol

Im...Im...speechless...and im having a very fucking bad day!!!!
SO much wrong with that statement I cant begin to respond. Please...someone...anyone...I really cant...because Im so angry..;

[somedude]

Originally Posted by dashrendar44

i gotta agree and disagree with yall on this one, because it depends on who your talking to. if its a rational and fairly intelligent adult, theyll prolly just reiterate whats ben said here. but back a year or 2 ago in high school when you learnt or talked about germany, boom, nazis would come right to mind for everyone and itd somehow get worked into the convo, no matter how far off base. then again, about 85% of that school was jewish, so whaddya expect? i personally dont think all germans are nazis, they certainly arent now and while a lot of them were forced into it in WWII many of them were volunteers as well. (i mean no offence by this, im part jewish so coming from me...) i personally think hitler was a pretty great man, not for any morbid reasons like genocide, thats stupid. hes always remembered for the nazis and evil, but people forget that he essentially saved the world! if it werent for him rebulding germany and starting the war all the other economies wouldnt of kicked into gear and the depression could of potentially ended civilazition, or at least put us back a large number of decades. germany was a really depressed country, what with their super depression, i mean come on, you needed a wheelbarrow of money to buy a loaf of bread! but he gave them reasons to be happy, albiet wrong and fleeting reasons. well, those are my two cents on this lol

Dash the war the Nazis started in Europe set civilization back by decades! Countless artists, scientists, mathmeticians, scholars and every other kind of thinker and doer were killed in that war and so many more went unborn because of the tens of millions of dead. Entire cultures were wiped out, cities leveled, ancient knowledge lost. Hitler was a monster who lead a pack of monsters on a rampage that left Europe an economic, politcol and social ruin to be siezed by the Soviets or rebuilt by the Marshal Plan. My two dollars!

[ego]

Luke.
If you ask my grandmother, she will definitelly say yes. Germans brought so much pain to her. And she never meet Germans other than soldiers. So, for her, Germans = evil (and this is why i will disagree with Stern, about her parents)

But you ask me. And my answer is WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
Germans are just fine people. How did this question came in your mind?
*Hugs Luke* Forget this shit man. Germany is now one of the better supporters of a better world. For all of us!

[shysnale]

I think it is interesting to notice that when people talk about history horrors of the last century everybody think of Hitler and his 6 millions victims as the communists such as Mao or Stalline and others did kill more than 80 millions people.

sorry if someone told this before me in the thread but I'm too tired to read it all

[somedude]

Actually the Nazis killed 11 million people in the death camps and at least 45 million died total during the war! And yes the communists around the world killed at least 60 million people in the 20th century!!!

[Luke rape stalker]

whow a lot of answers!!

first i want say thank you how ever you thinking.
I´m not down because some reply, i know how we are and its enough for me. Of course we have still some nazis. What i want know is the sight of germany from the other countrys.
Hey Phantom, come to us!! we drink a beer or twenty and visit "tanz der vampire" the best musical ever.
Of course Jasmin come too! i have beer for you all
Louise you´ve right, i think the most countrys have a dark spot in their history.
Ahm... Sindyloo.. we german are NOT ALL RAPISTS!!! but thank you

[shysnale]

Maybe the reason why Hitler always got mentioned first when the last centuries genocides are spoken is because of the aesthetics of the third Reich. I could never agree with what they did but I have to say Hitler's army was magnificent. The SS uniform, the swastika, all that was looking really good. The swastika is a strange and fascinating symbol that sticks in people mind. Also Hitler was coming up with the very disturbing idea that you can give life by killing. He clearly stated in Mein Kampf that death may be a happy thing in some circumstances. That kind of marginal thinking may also explain why he always comes to mind before the communists.

I have notice some people here have such a good knowledge of the 20th century history so I would like to request an answer for that question :

In Mein Kampf, Hitler talks about the time he ended up living on his own in Vienna after his parents death. He said he started to observe the Jewish community and he could see beyond their behaviour the ''Twisted face of Marxism". That is really something I can't understand. The Jew always been blamed for finding ways to capitalize any kind of situations, which is radically different from the Marxist ideology. I've been asking this question to some people and the only answer I've got is 'Hitler basically hated the Jew, it's as simple as that'. I don't find that answer satisfying. Hitler was a monster, but an intelligent monster. Mein Kampf is full of very interesting reflections on life, and it is hard to believe he's been so simplistic in his analysis of the Jew.

So please help me understand what the ''Twisted face of Marxism" had to do back then.

Thanks a lot

[ego]

Originally Posted by shysnale

I don't find that answer satisfying. Hitler was a monster, but an intelligent monster. Mein Kampf is full of very interesting reflections on life, and it is hard to believe he's been so simplistic in his analysis of the Jew.

Intelligent, inshightful and with tendency to make the wrong decision.
Truth is, if he had became analist, it would be better for everyone.

Originally Posted by shysnale

what the ''Twisted face of Marxism" had to do back then.

I believe the situation in the world at early '30 was something like "more dogs than bones". Jew were another dog for the bone.He thought he could do it.
Now, who else wants his bone? Aaha, marxistes.
(marxism is a 'divine' system, cannot be applicated my most humans.It presuppose accumulation and re-distribution)
Ok, they want to share, but not with him.
For him, they are the same. Different roads, same destination.
I believe the time he took the decision to attack, he was feeling surrounded.

[Sternenlied]

I think maybe we should agree on a few things:

1) Noone on this board (if I'm not mistaken) actually saw WWII.

2) Everything we "know" we learned from books and people telling us what happened.

3) We all know everyone (especially people who experienced WWII or some other horrible thing) puts his own - highly subjective - view on things.

4) We all know books and people may not contain the "ultimate truth" (if such a things exists).

5) So we should all be fair and remember we cannot talk from personal experience, only about things we learned and think are true.

As far as I got him Luke wanted to know what people think about Germans today, not about WWII. So maybe we should concentrate on that point. And maybe commenting on Germans should add if they ever met Germans or if they have ever been to Germany.
Second thing I want to tell you is this: I've been to school in England and after that in Germany. And German schools focus on WWII and the Third Reich much, much more objective, detailed and differentiated. History class in England was much more subjective and "anti-German". So maybe we should all remember that no knowledge is absolute ...

[Rogue]

Peace sells, but who's buying

[Louise]

British army recruits secret weapon to bring peace