Should snuff be allowed? - Rape Board

Grm · 02-19-2006, 06:28 AM

Is snuff an acceptable subject for this board?

prey4me · 02-19-2006, 06:39 AM

I vote no.

The thing is, the more "extreme" content you have, the more risk the Board will attract censorious attention. Consider all the extreme things that one or a few participants would like to have: bestiality, water sports, scatt, young-teen sex, under-teen sex, ....and we can all add a few more. With ALL this stuff incuded, it would just be a matter of time before somebody (journalist? crusading investigator? government?) would start poking around.

Then what?

Also, consider the slippery slope: after snuff, where do we go next? necrophilia? corpse mutiliation?

If I had my druthers, I would say, exclude all that stuff, and settle on a lower-age limit for "victim suitability" of, say, 14 for text and images both. This could be defended in that quite a few states, provinces, departments, and countries allow females to have sex and/or get married at 14, and the Board's decision is to conform to what many jurisdictions deem legitimate.

I'm in a minority, there, but that's my opinion.

Grm · 02-19-2006, 06:42 AM

You didn't vote in the poll yet, Prey

prey4me · 02-19-2006, 06:47 AM

The buttons didn't show up on my last visit. Now I have voted.

I will abide by the decision of the imModerators, of corpse.

I mean, of course! .....oops....

Kinnik · 02-19-2006, 07:53 AM

The last board I was on was extreme-board. I left because of the
whole "livejournal stalking" fracas (someone posting a girls pictures
without permission and her objection when he found them). I dunno if that
was the reason extreme-board shut down but it certainly didnt seem to last
very long after that.

So I would worry more about what pictures are being posted that what stories.

Beyond that: I really dont think posting any under 18 images is a good idea,
It is certainly illegal in the US. I would go further and say that non-porn/nude
images are a bad idea as well.

Age of consent is a separate issue from depictions of minors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography
(scroll down to Age of Consent)

All that said, I come to these boards for stories and discussions, not
pictures so my opinions are biased in that direction.

Kinnik · 02-19-2006, 07:56 AM

I'll add that I write and enjoy stories with girls of the age mentioned,
so its not the fantasy I object to but the images and wisdom of posting them.

Grm · 02-19-2006, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kinnik

I'll add that I write and enjoy stories with girls of the age mentioned,
so its not the fantasy I object to but the images and wisdom of posting them.

You will find Kinnik we have already had the age debate, which got so intense, that to my deepest regret we lost a much loved moderator. For your imformation Admin has now ruled no story content below 14 and no porn under 18.
moderator
Grm

MzMadneZz · 02-19-2006, 08:34 AM

DELETE

Kinnik · 02-19-2006, 08:46 AM

Sorry, I did not realize the discussion had already taken place and was
responding to the above comment.

Obviously I agree, tho. (Not being necesarily a question of
right and wrong but legal and illegal)

02-19-2006, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MzMadneZz

I am going to make a appearance.We all know why I LEFT this board,I dissagree with grm's view on posting stories of under aged victims. Seems two faced that anyone should want to clean it up now. Why have 14 as age on stories but its WRONG for pics under 18? If its wrong on pics why is it right on stories? I really am pissed off by all this crap. Why ask grm? its what YOU think anyway.

"its not the fantasy I object to but the images and wisdom of posting them"
Kinnik is right.

MzMadneZz, original and EX mod.

Two points, one the legal issues. Laws vary from country to country, but in the U.S., stories involving persons under the age of 18 are legal. Sexually explicit images of persons under 18 are illegal.

Second point, visual depictions of underage persons requires the participation of underage persons. In order to have an image of say a 15 year old being raped, there has to be an actual 15 year old involed. Not so with stories which require nothing more than an adults imagination.

As for the original topic of this thread. I assumed snuff was already allowed given that the august moderator GRM POSTED a video of a girl being raped and strangled.

Grm · 02-19-2006, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MzMadneZz

DELETE

I'm sorry Mad, that you felt it necessary to edit your post, your opinions will always be welcome here. My thanks to cleanfun4all for quoting your post, otherwise I wouldn't have had chance to read it.
salutations
Grm

Rogue · 02-20-2006, 12:43 AM

"Why have 14 as age on stories but its WRONG for pics under 18? If its wrong on pics why is it right on stories?"

I don't understand why pics and stories are almost equal for you. Pics and videos, for all we know there are some out there where the victim is under 18 and/or didn't consent etc. Stories are the one place where numbers don't have to mean everything. What we talk about, rape, isn't legal of course. But we all agree it's just fantasy. So if the victim is 1 day away from her 18th birthday, who gives a fuck? We can know for a fact she has 'the mind of an adult' if we want, cos it's in our control. Of course stories are powerful but pics and videos are potentially far more dangerous in terms of law and morality etc.

As for snuff, I agree with prey4me, it's a door we might regret opening.

prey4me · 02-20-2006, 03:22 PM

Thanks for the back-up, Rogue.

If we allow snuf, then comes necrophilia. After that, somebody might want to include cannibalism.

I object to necrophilia, unless it's consensual.

I object to cannibalism, unless it's done tasefully.

Kinnik · 02-20-2006, 03:47 PM

Ok. So it sounds like some people object to certain things,
in certain contexts. Who doesnt?

There is plenty of stuff I object to. Scat is one of those things.
I don't go into the scat board. Dilemma solved.

Obviously anything that imperils the survival of the board is
subject to restriction and im totally cool with that.
But I still think that sites generally get into more trouble over
images and videos that any other thing. There are dozens
of sites that have had Jake Baker's stories up for years.
Those are probably the most objectionable text files in
the history of the net and theyve been online on the same
websites for years now.

Sorry, but Im confused when discussions amongst us perverts
boil down to variations on "Well I dont mind stories about 15-year
old getting raped in the ass by demon-pigs, but BLANK is just
in bad taste" Where "raped in the ass by demon-pigs" is whatever
that person is turned on by and "blank" is whatever whatever
that particular person doesnt approve of.

Grm · 02-20-2006, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prey4me

Thanks for the back-up, Rogue.

If we allow snuf, then comes necrophilia. After that, somebody might want to include cannibalism.

I object to necrophilia, unless it's consensual.

I object to cannibalism, unless it's done tasefully.

Very droll .

Buzzzkill · 02-20-2006, 05:49 PM

This board is already devoted to fantasy involving evil, unjustifiable crimes. I think its pertty silly to argue that brutal rape fantasy is ok but if someone dies in that fantasy then whoa! suddenly that's going too far.
This board doesn't condone actual rape, of course it doesn't condone murder, either. Just like I don't condone kicking Roberto Gonzalas in the balls, but It sure is satisfying to fantasize about. So long as we don't actually do anything unethical (ie: get stalker-y with the pic posts, ask for help in commiting crimes) I see no problem with adults freely discussing our darkest fantasies, until you have reason to believe the Thought Police may shut us down.

prey4me · 02-21-2006, 01:32 AM

Buzzzkill makes a valid point. Are we making our distinctions on the basis of personal predilections, or--for lack of a better word--ethical* distinctions? Why should fantasy rape be within the cut-off line whereas fantasy pedophilia, fantasy snuff, fantasy demon-pig-rape, and discussion of real-life rape victims, outside the pale?

Buzzzkill's post is making me reconsider.

For example, I never go into the scat section. Maybe I should! There could be a great rape episode, then some scatalogical stuff, which I would just skim past, and then onto other stuff.

Perhaps we should make the definitive "line in the sand" content which can jeopardize RapeBoard's status with the host server and the country where it is located in. (What is that, anyway?) It would be the Administrator's job to be alert to changes, and to post rule changes and delete the content if it imperils the RapeBoard's legal standing.

Then the more objectionable material could be segregated in designated categories. Here we can be more democratic. If a category does provoke a lot of objections, then it can be deleted and banned. But should a few people's revulsion at mother-in-law cocksucking keep the whole thing off the Board?

*Ethics are what is permisible within the defined context of a situation or organization. Obviously, morality doesn't factor in here! If one's "lust in the heart" is the theologically moral equivalent of fornication, then we're in big trouble!

Grm · 02-21-2006, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue

Definitively: NOOOO!

Precisely, why?
interested
Grm

Rogue · 02-22-2006, 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prey4me

Buzzzkill makes a valid point. Are we making our distinctions on the basis of personal predilections, or--for lack of a better word--ethical* distinctions? Why should fantasy rape be within the cut-off line whereas fantasy pedophilia, fantasy snuff, fantasy demon-pig-rape, and discussion of real-life rape victims, outside the pale?

Buzzzkill's post is making me reconsider.

For example, I never go into the scat section. Maybe I should! There could be a great rape episode, then some scatalogical stuff, which I would just skim past, and then onto other stuff.

Perhaps we should make the definitive "line in the sand" content which can jeopardize RapeBoard's status with the host server and the country where it is located in. (What is that, anyway?) It would be the Administrator's job to be alert to changes, and to post rule changes and delete the content if it imperils the RapeBoard's legal standing.

Then the more objectionable material could be segregated in designated categories. Here we can be more democratic. If a category does provoke a lot of objections, then it can be deleted and banned. But should a few people's revulsion at mother-in-law cocksucking keep the whole thing off the Board?

*Ethics are what is permisible within the defined context of a situation or organization. Obviously, morality doesn't factor in here! If one's "lust in the heart" is the theologically moral equivalent of fornication, then we're in big trouble!

Personally I'm not making my distinction just because I don't like pedophilia and cannibalism etc. In fact I would be interested in reading some stories featuring it the odd time, if I felt it was artistic and rape dominated. Which brings me to my point, it's not the presence of it I object to, it's the possibility of it taking over. I like to think rape is one of those 'fate worse than death' things, but how can rape be the climax of a story if the victim dies. Her death would have to be the climax, unless it was necrophilia. It would become a bit of a farce if one day we found ourselves skimming through murder after murder looking for rape in the stories. But as I said I would still read a good story with this stuff so if it all had its own category like you're saying I would change my vote to yes.

prey4me · 02-22-2006, 03:23 AM

Rogue is concerned,

Quote:

the possibility of it (snuff etc.) taking over. I like to think rape is one of those 'fate worse than death' things, but how can rape be the climax of a story if the victim dies.

Well, if it dooes, then that's "the market" working itself out. People who demand a certain product will elicit the producers to provide it. The solution could be to segregate it into its own sub-forum, or (worst case scenario) you "take your business elsewhere." Quite a few of us have left, or become less active, on other boards because the content changed. It can and will happen again for various individuals.

I see the issues here, Rogue, as being two-fold:

1) Would snuff jeopardize the well-being and safety-of-the-domain (for lack of a better word)? I.e. would its inclusion risk the Board's shutdown at some future point?

1-A) Will snuff lead to, or allow, other things to develop? (Necrophilia and cannibalism have been suggested both seriously and in jest; there might be other categories of deviant titillation. Nobody's brought up incest!)

2) Is snuff just so repugnant that a consensus develops to prohibit it?

But with all respect, Rogue, I don't think your concern is anything to really worry about.

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02-19-2006, 06:28 AM	#1
Grm Banned Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: The Black Country Posts: 956 Reputation: 1332	Should snuff be allowed? Is snuff an acceptable subject for this board?

02-19-2006, 08:34 AM	#8
MzMadneZz Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1 Reputation: 10	DELETE __________________ WE BECOME BY EXAMPLE Last edited by MzMadneZz; 02-19-2006 at 01:06 PM.

02-20-2006, 03:22 PM	#13
prey4me Privileged Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 482 Reputation: 5552	Snuff, necrophilia, then what? Thanks for the back-up, Rogue. If we allow snuf, then comes necrophilia. After that, somebody might want to include cannibalism. I object to necrophilia, unless it's consensual. I object to cannibalism, unless it's done tasefully.

02-19-2006, 06:39 AM	#2
prey4me Privileged Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 482 Reputation: 5552	I vote no. The thing is, the more "extreme" content you have, the more risk the Board will attract censorious attention. Consider all the extreme things that one or a few participants would like to have: bestiality, water sports, scatt, young-teen sex, under-teen sex, ....and we can all add a few more. With ALL this stuff incuded, it would just be a matter of time before somebody (journalist? crusading investigator? government?) would start poking around. Then what? Also, consider the slippery slope: after snuff, where do we go next? necrophilia? corpse mutiliation? If I had my druthers, I would say, exclude all that stuff, and settle on a lower-age limit for "victim suitability" of, say, 14 for text and images both. This could be defended in that quite a few states, provinces, departments, and countries allow females to have sex and/or get married at 14, and the Board's decision is to conform to what many jurisdictions deem legitimate. I'm in a minority, there, but that's my opinion.

02-19-2006, 06:42 AM	#3
Grm Banned Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: The Black Country Posts: 956 Reputation: 1332	You didn't vote in the poll yet, Prey

02-19-2006, 06:47 AM	#4
prey4me Privileged Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 482 Reputation: 5552	The buttons didn't show up on my last visit. Now I have voted. I will abide by the decision of the imModerators, of corpse. I mean, of course! .....oops....

02-19-2006, 07:53 AM	#5
Kinnik Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 15 Reputation: 10	The last board I was on was extreme-board. I left because of the whole "livejournal stalking" fracas (someone posting a girls pictures without permission and her objection when he found them). I dunno if that was the reason extreme-board shut down but it certainly didnt seem to last very long after that. So I would worry more about what pictures are being posted that what stories. Beyond that: I really dont think posting any under 18 images is a good idea, It is certainly illegal in the US. I would go further and say that non-porn/nude images are a bad idea as well. Age of consent is a separate issue from depictions of minors. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography (scroll down to Age of Consent) All that said, I come to these boards for stories and discussions, not pictures so my opinions are biased in that direction.

02-19-2006, 07:56 AM	#6
Kinnik Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 15 Reputation: 10	I'll add that I write and enjoy stories with girls of the age mentioned, so its not the fantasy I object to but the images and wisdom of posting them.

02-19-2006, 08:46 AM	#9
Kinnik Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 15 Reputation: 10	Sorry, I did not realize the discussion had already taken place and was responding to the above comment. Obviously I agree, tho. (Not being necesarily a question of right and wrong but legal and illegal)

02-20-2006, 12:43 AM	#12
Rogue Immoral Irishman Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,344 Reputation: 20982	"Why have 14 as age on stories but its WRONG for pics under 18? If its wrong on pics why is it right on stories?" I don't understand why pics and stories are almost equal for you. Pics and videos, for all we know there are some out there where the victim is under 18 and/or didn't consent etc. Stories are the one place where numbers don't have to mean everything. What we talk about, rape, isn't legal of course. But we all agree it's just fantasy. So if the victim is 1 day away from her 18th birthday, who gives a fuck? We can know for a fact she has 'the mind of an adult' if we want, cos it's in our control. Of course stories are powerful but pics and videos are potentially far more dangerous in terms of law and morality etc. As for snuff, I agree with prey4me, it's a door we might regret opening.

02-20-2006, 03:47 PM	#14
Kinnik Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 15 Reputation: 10	Ok. So it sounds like some people object to certain things, in certain contexts. Who doesnt? There is plenty of stuff I object to. Scat is one of those things. I don't go into the scat board. Dilemma solved. Obviously anything that imperils the survival of the board is subject to restriction and im totally cool with that. But I still think that sites generally get into more trouble over images and videos that any other thing. There are dozens of sites that have had Jake Baker's stories up for years. Those are probably the most objectionable text files in the history of the net and theyve been online on the same websites for years now. Sorry, but Im confused when discussions amongst us perverts boil down to variations on "Well I dont mind stories about 15-year old getting raped in the ass by demon-pigs, but BLANK is just in bad taste" Where "raped in the ass by demon-pigs" is whatever that person is turned on by and "blank" is whatever whatever that particular person doesnt approve of.

02-20-2006, 05:49 PM	#16
Buzzzkill Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 21 Reputation: 12	This board is already devoted to fantasy involving evil, unjustifiable crimes. I think its pertty silly to argue that brutal rape fantasy is ok but if someone dies in that fantasy then whoa! suddenly that's going too far. This board doesn't condone actual rape, of course it doesn't condone murder, either. Just like I don't condone kicking Roberto Gonzalas in the balls, but It sure is satisfying to fantasize about. So long as we don't actually do anything unethical (ie: get stalker-y with the pic posts, ask for help in commiting crimes) I see no problem with adults freely discussing our darkest fantasies, until you have reason to believe the Thought Police may shut us down.

02-21-2006, 01:32 AM	#17
prey4me Privileged Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 482 Reputation: 5552	Buzzzkill makes a valid point. Are we making our distinctions on the basis of personal predilections, or--for lack of a better word--ethical* distinctions? Why should fantasy rape be within the cut-off line whereas fantasy pedophilia, fantasy snuff, fantasy demon-pig-rape, and discussion of real-life rape victims, outside the pale? Buzzzkill's post is making me reconsider. For example, I never go into the scat section. Maybe I should! There could be a great rape episode, then some scatalogical stuff, which I would just skim past, and then onto other stuff. Perhaps we should make the definitive "line in the sand" content which can jeopardize RapeBoard's status with the host server and the country where it is located in. (What is that, anyway?) It would be the Administrator's job to be alert to changes, and to post rule changes and delete the content if it imperils the RapeBoard's legal standing. Then the more objectionable material could be segregated in designated categories. Here we can be more democratic. If a category does provoke a lot of objections, then it can be deleted and banned. But should a few people's revulsion at mother-in-law cocksucking keep the whole thing off the Board? Ethics are what is permisible within the defined context of a situation or organization. Obviously, morality* doesn't factor in here! If one's "lust in the heart" is the theologically moral equivalent of fornication, then we're in big trouble!