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Old 06-01-2013, 07:20 AM   #1
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Default Hitler was right!

Well, maybe not. Makes a good thread title though eh?

Anyway, the EU is taking the UK government to the European Court of "justice". Why? Because the way citizens from EU countries are assessed for benefits is different from the way UK citizens are assessed.

Guess who isn't particularly pleased about this?

It's their fucking law, not ours. Nobody here voted to allow Eurocrats to make our laws. It's about time those cunts in Westminster told Brussels, Strasbourg, and all those other shitholes to go and get fucked. Up the arse. With a fucking too bent, over sized, non-EU standard meeting, banana, that was weighed in pounds and ounces, not fucking kilograms.
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Hitler was right about a lot of things. At least you knew where you stood with him. Not like those mealy mouthed, quisling, snail eating, garlic chewing, one speed forward, twelve speed reverse, fucking French.

You know why the French planted trees along the Champs Elysee?

Because the Germans like to march in the shade.
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Fucking brilliant!
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You know what? I keep hearing non-stop EU this, EU that from the brits. To paraphrase an anonymous restaurant owner: "If you don't like it here, go eat somewhere else!" You can bugger off and do your own thing. I doubt anyone will stop you.

Besides, you only don't like it because you hate the french.
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I have to admit that I don't really understand how it all fits together over there, nor why it would be desirable for any solvent country.

Why in the world would England allow any outside entity to dictate units of measurement or the nature of its currency? Why would a group of countries keep bailing out the Greeks and others who refuse to tighten their own belts?
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Trade, the UK had been on the verge of going bankrupt since WWII, their are millions of reasons for this, war debts, too much money trying not to accept that our days as a Great Independent Power are long behind us, hence far too much money wasted on an 'independent' nuclear deterrent, badly run and under invested businesses, successive government's that have either been unwilling or unable to make the hard choices that were needed.

The idea was to make trade easier, to create a block way of trading with other parts of the world, and internally as well, for this there was always going to be a certain loss of sovereignty, in fact one of the campaigns admitted it.

And in a world where small countries are all banding together in blocks, can we afford not to be part of it.
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Oh those smelly French! Who would buy their milk and electricity if we didn't?

Any way Menace, many of us want to leave, or go back to the original common market. Most in Westminster are too cowardly to face up to it and give us a vote, or really take on the EU and win us the reforms that would make staying worth while.

Trade is a good thing, countries that trade are less likely to fight. That was the whole idea of The Common Market in the first place, a way for Germany and France to create a realistic peace. The way things are going in Europe now, that peace is at risk of disintegrating.



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You know what? I keep hearing non-stop EU this, EU that from the brits. To paraphrase an anonymous restaurant owner: "If you don't like it here, go eat somewhere else!" You can bugger off and do your own thing. I doubt anyone will stop you.

Besides, you only don't like it because you hate the french.
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The trouble is FR, for a common market to work you need a level playing field on things such as taxes, movement of goods and even safety laws, or it would still be tipped against one country.

And when he says most of us, he means the right wing press like the Sun and the Daily Mail and those that let them do their thinking for them.

I am not a great fan of the EU, however, the alternatives as laid out by morons like UKIP are even dumbing? A deal like Norway? Outside the EU but still able to trade? Well yes, that sounds nice, except for the facts that, firstly, Norway still has to accept the same laws as the member states, they just have no vote whatsoever in what they are, and secondary, the EU is working to put pressure on them, and the others which are part of the same trading block, to become full members of the EU. Lastly, why the fuck would the EU allow us to have a deal like this? We've wandered off in a huff and told them we're not friends anymore, but we still want to play in their games, if that was one of the other states I am sure the bun and the bail would be screaming blue bloody murder over it.

Another reason, there are a number of companies that have factories in the UK as gateways into the EU, Nissan as a major example, that Chinese company that has bought out MG, the same with Jag and Land Rover now, all it would take is some kind of threatened trade sanctions from the EU against us and they would be off quicker than you could say UKIP. Leaving little old Britain all alone in the big bad world with no one to play with.

This is not the 1940's, we do not have a huge Empire to fall back on for trade, oh wait a minute, when we tried that after WWII it went wrong, the wrong goods were being made and being outsold by originally American than lately Asian goods.

The EU, like it or not, is our only real chance, and the only way we can ever get anywhere with it is to grow up, except that the past is just that, the past, and plunge in and make some sensible demands.
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First off, taxation and safety standards are not a level playing field across the EU, so that point is moot. Our own safety standards already outstrip European laws on this. You know full well that there are tax havens within the EU that allow British in all but name business to avoid paying tax here legally. Punitive tax policies haven't helped with this and will continue to drive firms to go elsewhere in Europe whilst they can.

The free movement of labour? This is a fucking insane policy when unemployment is so high here. As is EU citizens entitlement to benefits here.

The real issue here though is the major party protection of self-interest. The big three parties don't want out of Europe simply because it is another layer of government, puts more bums on elected seats, grows their power base, party revenues, etc. In short, more jobs for the old school tie network. That rings true across the political spectrum. I wouldn't even trust UKIP in this because an EU withdrawal would terminate their need to exist.

UKIP will become a major player in British politics though if the big three continue to just pay lip service to Europe and its various institutions.

The others, BNP, Greens, all that other nonsense, ate just a political sideshow, parties of progress.

Your comments about the right wing press is just a pathetic attempt at insulting your political opposites, did someone else tell you to think that way because it sounds like the typical lefty bollocks about newspapers that is always being spouted in forums. Contrary to the nonsense the lefty press and public service minions digest, readers of The Sun and Daily Mail can and do think for themselves. Did it ever occur that people choose their reading material because of the way they think or feel, not think because they are taught to by the papers.

Ah, freedom of thought, tough concept for the commisariats stooges eh?
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Now the sensible answer. What could Britain do instead of being in the EU?

It could make a serious effort to retrain its unemployed work force for a start, especially those under the age of 25, and very especially those with useless university degrees for which there is no demand, and who have little hope of paying back their loans, or of contributing to society by paying taxes that might help train and educate the next generation of unemployed. Why do this? Because it is better than importing workers.

We could give up our self-appointed role as global policeman. It's expensive, and wins us few friends. It also, as you rightly pointed out, nearly bankrupted us in 1945. Since we keep on insisting on electing zealots like McPantsonFire, we keep running this bankruptcy gauntlet. We could maintain a truly independant nuclear deterant, and stick a couple of fingers up to France, the US and NATO. We could become a rogue state. We don't really need the likes of the UN to tell us how to behave like civilised human beings. We're British, we invented civilised, we invented fair play.

We could foster closer ties with our former empire. Especially India, the second biggest market, and one of the fastest growing economies on the planet. Why? Because India is hungry and thirsty, we have technologies that could solve both those problems. In exchange they sell us some of the food we so badly need. Food is our weak point, our Achilles heal. At the outbreak of WWII we only produced 60% of our food domestically. It was nearly a disaster for us. When I left school this figure had not changed. We had little choice but to join the common market. We could develope the technology and make it viable and marketable, would create jobs, we would not need to rely on Europe either for food, or for a market to sell our technology to as we could sell it to the highest bidder.

This is what Britain has always done best since the beginning of the industrial revolution.

You mentioned hard choices a couple of posts back Pete. The way I see it, being in the EU is the easy option, because it means politicians and industrialists have the EU to blame when things fuck up. The real hard choice would be to do something productive, something progressive, something useful.

Which brings me to the final point. Research suggests that for every job created in construction, 1.2 jobs are created elsewhere in the British economy. So we build new infrastructure. This can be both government and privately led since the end result is the same - more jobs, a nation with a balanced account sheet, a happy breed because we're no longer plagued by traffic jams and hosepipe bans in summer, road and airport and rail closures in the winter. Crumbling schools that people would pay over the odds to but a house in another area to avoid sending their kids there. Disease ridden hospitals and social housing that makes the poorest in society sick. An imbalance of opportunity. Homelessness because a shortage of housing is driving up both rents and prices to an insane level.

Or is the EU going to do all these things for us? No, of course not. Because all the EU is is a circle jerk to stop the Frogs and Krauts from kicking off and dragging their neighbours in to the fray. Switzerland does perfectly well without them, we could too.
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Switzerland also adopts EU regulations like Norway.
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They have a slightly different deal for now, not so tight, though there is pressure coming from the EU parliament to bring it to an end
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FR I said that about the papers cause I was born with a fucking brain of my own, unlike you who seems to go for the usual right wing line, still that is ok, in a couple of years when the country is run along UKIP lines and more fucked than PF at an orgy I will be as far as I fucking can so hey make Britain all on its own for all I care.
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Britain won't be run along UZkIP lines if the big three parties wake up and address the problem.

If you think newspapers form my opinions, you're seriously fucked in the head. The last time I picked up a news paper was when little miss Rotter was attempting to swim a length of the pool in a hotel spa. It was The Mail On Sunday. Sorry about that. What I read was an article about how production of synthetic wine stoppers is putting cork producing areas in Spain and Portugal at risk of both economic and environmental catastrophe. Sorry about that too....

Of course the typical lefty response when I posted about this was a tirade against The Mail, with absolutely no discussion of the topic at all.

I'm a-political, at least where parties and traditional alignments are concerned, but if you want to pigeonhole me as a right winger because of my opinions, then suit yourself. I hope you're happy when O'Bamas successor is stealing all your Guiness! :P
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Well! My respect for FR has risen a few notches after reading his dissertation. I feel, as an ex-pat, I don't have the knowledge to participate in this interesting debate. My view of the French is more simplistic being brought up during and just after the war. You are quite right menace, I do not particularly like the French as a nation. I regard them as the prostitutes of Europe who rolled over to the Germans three times since 1870 and then had the bad grace to turn round and deny that the Brits and then the Americans pulled them out of the shit. They have taken every opportunity to put shit on us since.
It is these same Frenchmen that spray-painted British war cemeteries with the words "Dig up your rubbish and take it back to England" Fucking mongrels that they are.
It was the French who VOLUNTARILY gave up the Jews to the Germans and who collaborated wholeheartedly during the occupation. It was the French who wrote 4.2 million letters during the war denouncing Jews and others to the Germans and the Vichy regime. Yes!! 4.2 million.
After the war the cowardly bastards came out of the woodwork and claimed to be resistance fighters. They shot a few expendable politicians like Laval but mainly confined themselves to shaving the heads of helpless women. The vast majority were still scurrying round after the war trying to destroy their shameful records of collaboration including Maurice Chevalier.
Can you seriously imagine the Brits or Americans hanging out thousands of white bedsheets from their windows in surrender. I have nothing but contempt for them as a race. Arrogant Frog cunts. Sorry.
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Three times? I counted just two, in 1878 and 1941. They won in 1918.

As for imagining, yes I very much can imagine that.
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I do wonder how we would have fared if the English channel was just the width of a river, would we have been able to have hold them off.

Sometimes I feel we Brits can be a little more harsh on those around us than we should. Maybe its this BS which makes us one of the most hated races on Earth...
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Three times? I counted just two, in 1878 and 1941. They won in 1918.

As for imagining, yes I very much can imagine that.
My friend, I respectfully suggest you do further research.
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