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04-04-2006, 07:58 PM | #21 |
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Trust you gal,
This is a very interesting argument, what is good? How do we know? hmm, I think this relates to love. Our mothers love us, without judgment, instinctivly protecting her offspring, nurturing us to adult. Later we form relationships forged to create the next generation, without co-operation we cannot survive. so we are good to those we love and those around us that are our extended family. |
04-04-2006, 10:56 PM | #22 | |
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You are welcome, but then based on what you say, what is to separate religon from an expired philosophical system such as Mohism?
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04-18-2006, 05:59 AM | #23 | |
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04-19-2006, 08:35 PM | #24 | |
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04-19-2006, 11:28 PM | #25 | |
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04-20-2006, 04:46 AM | #26 |
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OMG , Gal and PG! Bloody hell man, if these wildcats team up I fear for your balls.
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04-20-2006, 05:39 PM | #28 |
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This thread makes me never want to post on this site again. Omg, shut up.
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04-20-2006, 06:56 PM | #29 | |
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04-20-2006, 08:09 PM | #32 | |
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oH, REALLY???
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04-21-2006, 04:33 AM | #33 | |
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05-02-2006, 02:22 PM | #34 | |
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As long as we are individuals and no cheeps, we're always going on having understandings problems with the religious writings. If you take time to read the New Testament without thinking about the heavy history behind it, you will find a lot of parable showing up the 'interdependence' between the human being and the nature. That is the basis of any spiritual practice. Practicing the view of interdependence helps people forget about every 'ego based' kind of evil. (Selfishness, pride, jealousy, etc...). This IF properly done doesn't tend to push people in just ONE way of thinking and acting. As far as we're individuals, we can't apply in real life exactly what we read in a book. We all need a spiritual guide (Priest, Imam, etc..) to help us 'adapt' the religious teachings in order to work on our personal weaknesses instead of working on the most common weaknesses. The brain-dead people you describe in your post are the victims of a non personal communal teaching. Do you really think religion leads to passivity and weakness ? Look at the Shoaling Monks. Look at the Templar. Who are they ? They are basically armed monks. If you’re in a situation where the only way to defend the people you love is to kill, then killing is not a sin. That is not only for Christian’s but also in Buddhism, Islam, and Hindu. The real religious goal is merely to cope with the complexity of day to day problems. The thing is that people experiencing great pain need desperately to believe in something simple and straight. Simplicity helps to clarify the mind and to reassure those who are in great misery. They would 'grab' anything that gives them some kind of a 'reassuring structure'. History, facts, scandals, movies, all that tend to add some sort of a emotional & cultural varnish to religion. Religion is not about thinking of some historical incoherence (Abraham was there before Mohamed, etc..) We don’t care about showing up cultural paradox as long as spirituality is there. As well as Jesus created a new religion from his Jewish root, Buddha created a new spirituality from his Hindu root, etc...History, books, movies, and all kind of facts aren't important in understanding the basis of spirituality. Forget about all that, forget about the freaks, take the bible, and read the New Testament. As you know there are 'live' day to day face to face situations between Jesus and the Jerusalem people, without any history to interpret besides. Remember Jesus was just a walking guy whose acts were related later by the Saints. It is human nature to gossip on things and to add artificial stuff on them. If you have such a mental block about the Christians, have a look on Buddhism. I personally am a Buddhist since 2001 and have notices a lot of changes in my life. The funny thing is that I used to share the same anger you have for religion. I am not saying I am a saint, (otherwise I wouldn’t be hanging here), I don’t care if there’s a god watching me everyday, I don’t care if there’s Heaven and Hell, I just care about living a better life right now and become a better person in day to day life, right here right now in the year 2006. That is the only thing religion should push you toward. Don't stay in your position. Give yourself another chance to change your mind about it. If the Bible seems too straight to you at this point of your thinking, try Buddhism with that book : 'The Heart Of The Buddha's Teaching' by Thich Nath Hanh. (6$ - http://cgi.ebay.com/The-Heart-of-the...QQcmdZViewItem) It is a "modern" way of explaining religion and spiritual practice. No heavy history there, no ‘one way’ thinking, and no Mel Gibson. |
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05-02-2006, 07:09 PM | #35 |
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I have already commented on this thread enough, but will add one more.
During the days following my rape by my sister, the Bible was like a light house for me. ...and I don't give a damn, if Karl Marx did say religeon is the opiate of the Masses. He is dead, and his system is moribund. Speaking of philosophical system which have attempted to replace religeon, look at Rousseau's "Republic of Virtue", and yeah, the Reign of Terror which followed. Look at Nietzsche's UberMensch, and Hitler's Germany, and finally look at Marx, and the Russian terror of collectivization. If you would really read, read Edmund Burke's "Reflection on the Revolution in France", which really exposes the so called "glorious" revolution as a sham. |
05-03-2006, 01:12 PM | #36 | |
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Of course the meeting of religion and politic is not always a success. Like I said above the understanding problem can push fanatics to convince themself they can establish fascism or communism for the love of god. But instead of talking about the worst parts of history, why don't you take a look at France for instance. We are still a catholic country and not experiencing any problems with that. We are the country were the social security and the social protection is the most developped. I don't see your point in talking about the french revolution which wasn't a religious problem but a political problem. Monarchy tend to let people living in utter misery. Louis XVI didn't intend anything to get closer to people or just to listen to them. They finally decided to make a revolution in order to insure the same rights for everybody. It was a call for justice and freedom but nothing religious. If you read Hitler's Mein Kampf, you will find that most of his arguments are based on what a fascist political system can bring to a country economicly speaking and not about getting in line with the bible. Hitler was a catholic who had a deep respect for god, but he also was a man who grew up in misery, developing anger and hate for those who putted his country down in the first war. France did put Germany through misery in an awfull way with the 'Versailles Traite'. Everything was there to lead people to fascism. The country was experiencing a severe misery and at the same time a huge immigration. The consequences, the facts, the economic situation led people to fascism, not religion. |
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05-03-2006, 01:31 PM | #37 | |
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05-04-2006, 12:23 AM | #38 |
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Hmm. Josh Becker. Well, I love horror movies, and he worked on Evil Dead which is one of the best movies ever, but he is a bit off the mark here. He poses the question "Who gives a flying fuck" about Jesus dying 2,000 years ago. Well, it is one of the defining moments in human history. No single person has had that big of an impact since. So whether you believe in the man or not, his death is a signifying event in history.
Poor Mr. Becker says "The fact that over a billion Christians get down on their knees and pray to a dead Jew has always amused and fascinated me from the time I was a little kid." Maybe he didn't read the part where Jesus comes back from the dead? But I will agree with him that religion is evil. Christianity is often confused as a religion rather than what it should be, which is a relationship with God, and the forgiveness of sins by the blood of Jesus, and grace through the Holy Spirit. How many of us are slaves to sin? How many of us are so bitter and hate filled? Truly accepting Jesus is a way to get through that. |
05-04-2006, 04:44 AM | #39 |
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Hey, I am a slave. I love being a slave. Slave to my passion for abuse, for pain, for torture. Once during a session, I was beaten so bad, I was left bleeding and barely breathing. A school acquaintance found me and called for an ambulance, and I was hospital bound for five days.
What does this got to with religeon? Nothing except for that fact that I was on the path to self destruction. Here I was, laying in bed in the hospital, bored to death, tired of watching mindless television, and finally, I got so bored, I did the unthinkable, I picked up the Bible and I had another addiction. Mindless me. Whatever the consequnces may be, I took a detour from the path of self immolation. And the result of that to my life at least, could be beneficial or detrimental. So, is religeon evil? It is said that "By their fruits, ye shall know them". You can only judge an action, or an object by the effects it has on its environment. But here, I am biased, it had a beneficial effect on me. But, also I read, the effects it has had on other perople. Most notably this, Albigensian Crusade In a way, I will say this, organized religion is truly evil. Whereas personal religion, such as in my case is not. And besides, if you don't like it, and sentence me to death for my beliefs, I will go to my death, rather than recant. Further, why not, death would be the ultimate in torture for me. After all I am an intnese masochsist. Haha. |
05-16-2006, 09:15 PM | #40 |
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Oh lord, wont you buy me a mercedes benz ?
My friends all drive porsches, I must make amends. Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends, So lord, wont you buy me a mercedes benz ? Oh lord, wont you buy me a color tv ? Dialing for dollars is trying to find me. I wait for delivery each day until three, So oh lord, wont you buy me a color tv ? Oh lord, wont you buy me a night on the town ? Im counting on you, lord, please dont let me down. Prove that you love me and buy the next round, Oh lord, wont you buy me a night on the town ? Everybody! Oh lord, wont you buy me a mercedes benz ? My friends all drive porsches, I must make amends, Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends, So oh lord, wont you buy me a mercedes benz ? Thats it! ---Janis Joplin. |
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