stockholm syndrome

[cryptic]

"The Stockholm Syndrome comes into play when a captive cannot escape and is isolated and threatened with death, but is shown token acts of kindness by the captor. It typically takes about three or four days for the psychological shift to take hold.

A strategy of trying to keep your captor happy in order to stay alive becomes an obsessive identification with the likes and dislikes of the captor which has the result of warping your own psyche in such a way that you come to sympathize with your tormenter"

(Source: http://sniggle.net/stock.php)

i've been thinking about this concept lately...
...it's like rape of the mind, and the heart.
It's like being completely taken over.
Controlled by fear. Broken in.

i don't know how to describe why i am so...fascinated, intrigued by this thought...

...but does anyone else share the interest?

[ego]

I dont.
I wouldnt like my victim sympathize me.
And i think its a little different, i mean the captives do not feel fear or are controled. They identify with the captor.

Stern is online, i hope she will make it clear for us.

[cryptic]

You can't fear someone and still sympathise with them?

[cryptic]

By the way...i get the feeling i've caused offense somehow.

If so, then i'm sorry, that wasn't my intention.

[ego]

Me? No, i cant.
Generally, i guess people can. But the question is why they care about the captor. Because of fear, or because of sympathy?

[ego]

Originally Posted by cryptic

By the way...i get the feeling i've caused offense somehow.

If so, then i'm sorry, that wasn't my intention.

If you refer to me, no, i havent felt offended. That syndrom you mentioned is interesting, i would like to read more about it. Now, if you just want to trigger people's fantasy (and yours) about this scenario, its me who has to say sorry.

To the given situation, a bank robery for example, i would love to have my time with the captives and i would make sure they wont sympathize me

[cryptic]

lol

Glad that's cleared up, then. cheers

[Sternenlied]

Well, "Stockholm Syndrome" (no, it's not called "Helsinki Syndrome" officially but both are the same) has nothing to do with fear.
The syndrome (although not actually a syndrome) can be born out of fear but a hostage (for example) "suffering" from Stockholm Syndrome doesn't fear the captors anymore. It describes a state of bonding with the captors, an understanding of - maybe even sympathy for - them, their actions and "mission" (whatever it may be). It can vary from simply making it easy for them over identifying with them to even helping them successfully completing their task. Some hostages are even known to have pleaded in court for their captors of falling in love with them.
So the actual psychological "shift" is from fear to understanding / sympathy / identification. As soon as this is complete there is no more fear.
Some theories consider Stockholm Syndrome a mental surviving strategy but that's only one theory among various.

To the given situation, a bank robery for example, i would love to have my time with the captives and i would make sure they wont sympathize me

Sorry to disappoint you dear, but even then your victims might experience Stockholm Syndrome anyway.

[ego]

Originally Posted by Sternenlied

Some theories consider Stockholm Syndrome a mental surviving strategy but that's only one theory among various.

Its interesting how our society reacts: Someone feels positive for someone who should be considered as the "evil" guy by default. We just call him crazy, find one name for his "sickness" and send him to a shrink!!
I have to admit tho, its better than the Chinese system: Shoot him-clean the place-nothing ever happened.

Originally Posted by Sternenlied

Sorry to disappoint you dear, but even then your victims might experience Stockholm Syndrome anyway.

Uhh, disgusting...a slave following you everywhere to express her liking of the way you treated her...

But sounds like a challenge!!

*speaks like a texan who has 4 candies in his mouth*
-I'll make you hate me bitch..!

[Sternenlied]

Actually there is no necessity for a therapeutical treatment. In the end the "victim" just had a change of point-of-view maybe. That's why it's not an actual syndrome - it's no "sickness", it's a psychological condition.
Some (former) hostages - fallen to the syndrome - however have been known to even take up their captors task after the hostage-taker had been imprisoned. That's when it might get dangerous for the hostage as well as society and that's when psychological treatment might be necessary.

But sounds like a challenge!!

*speaks like a texan who has 4 candies in his mouth*
-I'll make you hate me bitch..!

Well, Stockholm Syndrome may only take place after several days of captivity and even then it's not a necessary outcome of the situation. So your chances of making your victim hate you are still pretty good!

[ego]

Originally Posted by Sternenlied

Actually there is no necessity for a therapeutical treatment.

No, no, i insist. There is something wrong, you have to examine me. What time you stay alone in ...erm, i mean when can i come in your office??

[Sternenlied]

Well, since you ask so full of innocence ( ... ):
I'm usually ... no wait ... have to tell you in private!
Wouldn't want all those perverts around here to know ...

[ego]

Hmm, well doc, i think i'll find another one....you know...i...i wouldnt like to..........to be the unique susp....i mean i wouldnt like to expose you in such a danger......you understand, dont you?
Actually, i just remembered i have to visit my cousin, he lives in another country! I will be back in a month, see you doc..and sorry...bye, nice to meet you!!

[Sternenlied]

As I said ... you're the considerate, dangerous type ...

[shysnale]

Originally Posted by Sternenlied

That's why it's not an actual syndrome - it's no "sickness", it's a psychological condition.

Personality disorder is also a condition. But it ruins my life, so it has to be looked up.

[Janav]

Studying psychology, i tend to emphasize the psychoanlaytic explanation to this psychological disorder/mental state of identification. This because one can observe exactly the same tendencies in children who live among abusive and violent parents who frequently and physically/mentally abuse them.

According to the psychoanalytic view of the syndrome, the tendency might well be the result of employing the strategy evolved by newborn babies to form an emotional attachment to the nearest powerful adult in order to maximize the probability that this adult will enable — at the very least — the survival of the child, if not also prove to be a good parental figure. This syndrome is considered a prime example for the defense mechanism of identification.

Cases have been observed where children who's parents have been murdered form an attachement to the murderer, for example.

There's an evolutionary explanation to the syndrome, but i view that as...insufficient.

[Darkman]

Im sure every bad guy prays for stockholm syndrome, its like a get out of jail free card

[Sternenlied]

Im sure every bad guy prays for stockholm syndrome, its like a get out of jail free card

Well, I'm not sure about other countries of course but in Germany taking hostages is a major crime so for the prosecution it doesn't matter if the victims/witnesses plea for their captors or not.

Personality disorder is also a condition. But it ruins my life, so it has to be looked up.

What kind of personality disorder is it you're suffering from?

[Darkman]

Originally Posted by Sternenlied

Well, I'm not sure about other countries of course but in Germany taking hostages is a major crime so for the prosecution it doesn't matter if the victims/witnesses plea for their captors or not.

Duh it was a joke - lighten up you robot!

[ego]

Originally Posted by Darkman

lighten up you robot!