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Old 04-17-2018, 08:56 PM   #741
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The moron most likely realized that when the when the PSNI was done with him, he had much more serious problems for making a false claim of acting for the IRA.
I remember reading that was a mortal sin during the troubles. Didn't realize it still was, but he deserves a beating at least for stealing from an old couple.
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Old 04-18-2018, 12:02 AM   #742
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I suspect the IRA live by a more Mafioso code, than a Catholic one. “Do what thou wilt, just don’t do it to us.”
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The actual IRA, as opposed to the alphabet soup of dissidents, probably still exists. They most likely maintain the ruling Army council along with a limited number of "heavy hitters". Most likely this wouldn't rise to them getting involved, but a enough negative publicity might be enough.
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I suspect Boloney Blair and the PIRA made a deal that ensured they could continue operating under the cover of "dissidents", probably has been an agreed quota of Catholic screws and coppers they can off in exchange for knicking the terrorists. Keep things ticking over nicely, eventually the EU gets to keep Ulster, and Boloney Blair goes down in history as the man that saved Belfast!

I don't believe for a minute that the PIRA command, Sinn Fein, and the British government don't know who the "real" IRA are, and couldn't stop them operating with the click of a finger.
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don't disagree with some of your post. But the hate between the dissidents and Sinn Fein is very real. Republican history is punctuated by what is known as the "split". the first coming after the treaty, what became Fine Gael and the IRA resulted in the Irish civil war. The free state executed more volunteers than the British did in the 1919 to 1921 war of independence. the next came in the 1930's when DE Valera formed Fianna Fail and again split Sinn Fein and the IRA.

De Valera probably came closer to actually eradicating the IRA once and for all than any one else, He was ruthless in the late 1930's and 40's . Executions, internments, shoot to kill orders reduced the IRA to a very frail shadow of its former self. Of course his motivation was to deny Churchill the excuse to re occupy Ireland.

the IRA re formed in the 1950's, and waged the failed border campaign.

Again the next split comes as the Provo's split from the officials.

and finally, the dissidents split from the provos after good Friday.

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Splitters!

Not convinced though. Having dissidents running around is too convenient. It allows the Provis to continue their game in Belfast and Londonderry, whilst wearing a mask of peace and respectability. If it were a genuine split, every single continuity, real, official, call them what you will. They would be in prison, or in the ground.
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The various dissident groups are allowed to exist, but not for the reasons you suggest. You're correct that both the government and the Provos have the capability of ending them very quickly, that they do not has to do with very different motivations.

That the security forces don't launch a massive crackdown has far more to do with the political climate in the UK as a whole. You've posted many times about the kid glove handling of jihadists in mainland Britain. The same holds true in the north. And if it did come to pass the sight of heavily armed police snatch squads spreading out through the nationalist areas would most likely be a huge boon for Sinn Fein. Even the most timid of SDLP voters would be moved into the republican camp.

Then the question of why does the IRA allow the dissidents to function? This is my personal theory on that. British intelligence has concluded that the Provisional's Army Council most likely still exists, and they maintain a limited number of volunteers on active service. They have also concluded that there is no evidence that are engaged in any paramilitary activities. I believe they are still there to guard against the unlikely doomsday scenario of the north completely going up in flames again.

They may see the dissidents as a ready pool of potential recruits. A few well publicized executions and the threat of more to follow would bring the various factions under the Provo's control very quickly.

A theory, a bit far fetched I'll admit. But no more so than the thought of a vast conspiracy between the government and the IRA.

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Interesting article in the Belfast telegraph the other day. It recounts an interview Ian Paisley gave to RTE in the early 1970's. Paisley was asked if there was anyway he would ever consider reunification with the south. To everyone's complete shock, Paisley replied that under different circumstances, yes he would.

The great enemy of Paisley's life was not Irish republicanism, it was Roman Catholicism. While Ian had a somewhat medieval fear of an all powerful papacy, his fears where not entirely unfounded considering the influence the Catholic church had in the republic in 1969. While he was a loyalist, his motivation was in his own words , maintaining a "Protestant way of life for Protestant people".

Another of the many ironies surrounding politics in the north is that the Catholic church shares the DUP views on abortion and same sex marriage. Small wonder that progress is so hard to come by.

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Yes, well, one of the big social debates of "modern" Ireland is whether or not to legalise abortion. Only half a century behind the rest of us!
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