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Old 12-21-2017, 09:48 PM   #461
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Now it seems that people in Northern Ireland could be subject to completely different laws and regulations from the rest of us....
That is nothing new and was the case for over 50 years after partition when the Unionist government brought in the "Special Powers Act" in 1922. I googled up an interesting article about it, extract here:

"...Because the Ulster Unionist Party was the only party ever to form a government in this parliament, the 1922 Act was used 'almost exclusively on the minority Nationalist population'. Initially regulations under the Act were used mostly to curb immediate violence and disorder. One of the most controversial of these was internment without trial.
Political violence had declined dramatically by 1925, and the government gradually shifted its emphasis from broad measures designed to return civil order to the province to more preventative regulations aimed at suppressing the threat posed by republican aspirations.'Regulations such as internment and the establishment of curfews were used far less, and those such as the banning of meetings and parades, and restrictions on the flying of the Irish tricolour became more common. Between 1922 and 1950, the government banned nearly 100 parades and meetings, the vast majority of which were nationalist or republican.[8] No loyalist gathering was ever directly banned under the Act, although a few were caught in blanket bans against parades or meetings in a particular area.[9] From 1922 until 1972, 140 publications were banned, the vast majority of which expressed republican viewpoints."
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Fascinating. A now disused piece of legislation. I suppose your romantic, na´ve notion of a "free" "united" Ireland wont allow you to see how from a British point of view, Irish Catholics were in open rebellion and had to be stopped?

IRA volunteers regarded "the troubles" as an actual war, and insisted that their prisoners be treated as POWs. Some even starved themselves to death on this point.

I'd love to see your viewpoint on what the alternative should have been.
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But your government continues to observe all the legal niceties as Jihadists butcher British subjects on their own streets. No special criminal courts, no internment with out charge, no turning the SAS loose with kill no capture orders. I can only guess that you have a fondness for the Islamists that your never felt for the poor paddies.
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https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...-36432408.html

Christmas in Belfast during the troubles
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I can't speak specifically for Belfast, as I haven't seen it. Christmas markets in the United Kingdom are surrounded by concrete bollards, have metal detectors at the entrance, and are patrolled by armed police.

Your point?
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OK, fair enough.

Here's a bit of right fucking now for you.

I walked in to town this morning. Bristol city centre is peppered with Kelly blocks and bollards. Major intersections, entrances to pedestrianised streets, bus stops. I wrote years ago in politics forums that vehicles would become the weapon of choice for any spree-killer unable to access firearms. Gun control supporters laughed.

British citizens are now more monitored by an increasingly intrusive liberal ruling elite than they ever were when Paddy was having his paddy fit. The major difference though is that government isn't going after Ahmed and Mohammed are they? No! In their desperation not to seem at all bigoted, they are coming after all of us.

If you ask me, despite being in open rebellion, the Irish Catholics got off fucking lightly!
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The IRA never found favor with chic liberal pseudo radical set. The Chablis sippers like their terrorists to be black brown or yellow. White northern Europeans don't have the same cache.
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You clearly haven't heard of Jeremy Corbyn or Diane Abbot.
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In case you can't be bothered to educate yourself, Jeremy Corbyn is currently leader of the opposition in the House of Commons. A quick bit of generic internet searching should bring up a photo of Jezza at an IRA funeral with Gerry Adams in the background.

He tends to like terrorists, having been photo'd with Hamas types too.

Still what should we expect from the leader of the political party that made frineds with Ghaddafi, let the Lockerbie bomber off the hook?
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Fascinating. A now disused piece of legislation.
It was only abolished by the British government when it was too late and the troubles were already a few years raging.


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I'd love to see your viewpoint on what the alternative should have been..
Simple. Give the occupied part of Ireland back to the Irish and pull the troops out. No more unconditional support for the Unionist/Loyalist apartheid type rule, let them live in a democracy instead and vote their way fairly.
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This sums up brilliantly your na´ve, romanticised notion of a free and united Ireland. If by "the Irish" you mean the Republic, Ulster never belonged to the Republic and can't be given back. In case you hadn't noticed, Good Friday has given the citizens democracy, and Sinn Fein can't even handle that properly!

Good Friday also does allow for the unification of Ireland, this has already been covered in this thread.

I suppose you believe that if Ulster had just been given over to the Republic, then it would have gone quietly?
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You refer to Ulster, I'm sure you mean the artificial creation known as Northern Ireland. Ulster as one of the four historic provinces of Ireland has nine counties, not six. Cavan Donegal and Monaghan were separated at partition to ensure a Unionist majority and preserve the fiction of majority rule.
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I refer to Ulster as it is easier to type than Northern Ireland. So what?

There is no fiction of majority rule. Sinn Fein signed up to Good Friday, and power sharing. That is where we are now, not back in 1922. The British government no longer singles out Irish Catholics for rough treatment. You suggested earlier in this thread that victims of IRA killers need to "get over it". Well may be the republican movement needs to get over itself and accept that for now at least, there will be no single Ireland, and Westminster is still firmly in charge.

Or do they prefer war?
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As you say, "for now at least". The republicans have been at this for well over 100 years, a few more years,or a decade or two, they will wait. As they say, Tiocfaidh ar la, our day will come.

As to Westminster being firmly in control, it's barely in control on the mainland. A few short weeks ago, Scotland , Wales, and your own capital were looking to cut a deal to make seperate trade arrangements from the rest of England.

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Scotland, Wales, and London had nobody to make a deal with, and fuck all authority to make it. Wales doesn't even have a mandate to make separate deals since it voted to leave the European Union. It is merely the deluded Labour party trying to Welsh on its election manifesto to support the United Kingdom leaving the single market and customs union.

I agree the current government is a shambles though. There is evidence enough of that in the fact that nothing has been done about the inability of members of the Northern Ireland assembly to attend to their duties.
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All that aside, Nollaig Shona sassenach! (Happy Christmas you Saxon wanker)
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If the British had done the right thing and pulled out of the whole of Ireland instead of just the 26 counties, there would be a peaceful and united country right now. The Irish would still have had their civil war over the treaty, and the whole island would be at peace and united. Nationalists and Unionists would vote the way they do in elections, without outside interference.

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