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Old 11-08-2017, 04:04 PM   #1
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What a bunch of murdering scum the IRA are, it is 30 years ago today since the Enniskillen massacre, when the provos basically dropped the gable end of a building on a crowd gathered to remember the dead of two world wars.

The people of Enniskillen still gather every year in rememberance, they have not surrendered to the IRA.
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That seemed like a huge fuck-up, with people from both sides of the divide killed. I don't see the sense in that.
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yawn, selective outrage. Bloody Sunday, shankill butchers, Miami show band massacre, McGurks pub,
All at least as bad as Eniskillen. get over it.

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Having been born and raised in a town where the IRA blew up civilians because they thought they might get a few squaddies in the process, I will not "get over it". Tell you what, why don't you go and live in a place where what basically amounts to organised crime hides behind a flag of "freedom fighter" to control all drugs, routinely hand out punishments, executes people on the flimsiest of evidence, and just to remind people how hard they are, let off bombs. Try that for a few years, then come back and tell me how fucking great your fucking high horse feels. Don't be suggesting that people have been terrorised by members of their own community should be getting over it though.

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I read up a lot on history and wrong though these atrocities on both sides are, the root cause of all of them seems to me to be down to the invasion and occupation of Ireland by the English and the imported Protestants. Not to mention the theft of land and property and deprivation of civil rights, language, jobs and housing from Catholics.
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Right. Gives the provis carte blanch to terrorise the very people they feign to defend does it? They’re just gangsters with a pretense to political struggle.

As for all the stuff you mention, perhaps they should just get over it, eh?
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Over here there is a very common perception that most of the worlds troubles stem from what the British did in colonial times and later. The USA would share blame for problems after WW2, but the British are apparently masters of messing the world up.
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Right, so, the massive environmental problems in China are caused by British colonialism, as are the human rights injustices there? The 100 million dead in Soviet Russia? The Nazi Holocaust? The huge genocide in South America lasting centuries? Post-British era genocide in North America? The environmental destruction in South America? The increasingly failing Eurozone and EU experiment? The Khmer Rouge, the Viet Cong, and all those other tinpot genocides in OTHER peoples former colonies? Space junk? I could go on, but it is rather, long, boring, tired, to point out to some fucking idiot on the internet all the worlds problems that weren't caused by Colonial Era Britain.
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Well, the cunts are still at it. A suspect package left in Omagh has led to a Rememberance parade being evacuated.

In August 1998 29 people were murdered by an IRA bomb in Omagh.
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Police have confirmed that the suspect package found in Omagh is in fact a viable pipe bomb. Classic provi murderer scumbag device.
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Right, so, the massive environmental problems in China are caused by British colonialism, as are the human rights injustices there? The 100 million dead in Soviet Russia? The Nazi Holocaust? The huge genocide in South America lasting centuries?....
I said most of the words troubles, not all.
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This is the point when it may help if you explained exactly what tye fuck you mean.

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I think my initial post on this is clear, especially this part:

"....Over here there is a very common perception that most of the worlds troubles stem from what the British did in colonial times and later. The USA would share blame for problems after WW2...."

I never suggested that the perception is that they are to blame for all the worlds problems. Just most of them.
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Examples?
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One example is the British renegingon a deal with the Arabs after WW1, which ultimately lead to the Arab-Israeli problems in the Middle East. I'll dig up more from my history books later, once I've checked the dates.
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While we are on the Irish topic, Britain was responsible for the Irish Famine. It's stripping of land from the Irish and giving it to absentee British landlords and the Corn laws ensured the Irish lived in poverty and their main staple became the humble potato, which was easy and cheap to grow.
Britain killed the Irish language by banning the population from speaking irish and banning it's teaching in schools.
Unionist domination in the North of Ireland (backed firmly by Britain) deprived Nationalists from voting, from employment, from proper education and housing. Apartheid Northern Ireland style, which existed for half a century after partition until Nationalist protests led to some belated civil rights improvements. That and much more are the root cause of the birth of the Provisional IRA and The Troubles.

Also, briefly:
Britain put Saddam Hussein in power.
Britain deliberately interfered with Nigeria's independence elections so its allies in the North would dominate the country after independence.
Britain enslaved the globe to secure their tea supplies.
Britain invented slums and child labor.
Britain burned Joan of Arc at the stake.
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In Ireland, like pretty much all of the United Kingdom, British subjects experienced some masty treatment at the hands of landowners and aristocracy.

Only the Northern Ireland paramilitaries in various incarnations saw fit to use this as justification for the terrorisation and murder of civilians, and to use criminality that took on a global aspect to fund and arm its cause. Other protest and resistant movements, however violent, have at least drawn the line at that.

Slums and child labour? You don’t get out much do you?

Tea? A Septic complaining about slavery, don’t make me fucking laugh!

I’ll come back to you on the problems in the Middle East, it is certainly more complex than you seem to realise.
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It's certainly more complex than most people realize, that's why we shouldn't meddle in it as it just make things worse and is what is causing a mass exodus of people from the area into Europe.
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Right, so, Middle East. A French diplomat makes certain assurances to a British soldier, and sends him off to recruit Arabs to help kick Turks out of the desert. Yeah, we probably shouldn't get involved, but then again there is rather a lot of oil in that desert and we need it. It's either that, or making friends with the Russians.

Oh look! We've got three large military powers that have been interfering in the region for centuries mentioned right along side the British! But no, apparently it is all the fault of the British. Hmmm....

Of course, it has nothing to do with the United Nations that Israel are allowed to walk all over the Palestinians, steal their land, refuse refugees permission to return, and pretty much blockade them in their own homes?

It has nothing to do with self-determination that the Salafist Wahabi sect are hell bent on eliminating any other religious rivals, such as Kurds and Shia muslims does it? No, it is all the fault of the British, because we sent a some what naÔve but rather effective officer to do every bodys dirt;y work and ensure a plentiful supply of oil for generations to come.

Thing is, you've picked problems from areas of former British influence, and completely ignored that:

1. Those areas have been independent for decades, and it is up to them to get their shit together.

2. Places like the Middle East are just regional spats that we place too much significance on because of the involvement of our military, and the inevitable consequences of that to our own populations. You're completely ignoring the massive environmental catastrophes that are the real big problems in the world. Well, I suppose at a stretch, whilst you couldn't praise the British for inventing the wheel and harnessing fire, you could pour blame on them for putting the two together and inventing industry, eh?
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While we are on the Irish topic, Britain was responsible for the Irish Famine. It's stripping of land from the Irish and giving it to absentee British landlords and the Corn laws ensured the Irish lived in poverty and their main staple became the humble potato, which was easy and cheap to grow.
Britain killed the Irish language by banning the population from speaking irish and banning it's teaching in schools.
Unionist domination in the North of Ireland (backed firmly by Britain) deprived Nationalists from voting, from employment, from proper education and housing. Apartheid Northern Ireland style, which existed for half a century after partition until Nationalist protests led to some belated civil rights improvements. That and much more are the root cause of the birth of the Provisional IRA and The Troubles.

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Britain put Saddam Hussein in power.
Britain deliberately interfered with Nigeria's independence elections so its allies in the North would dominate the country after independence.
Britain enslaved the globe to secure their tea supplies.
Britain invented slums and child labor.
Britain burned Joan of Arc at the stake.
got the right of that there Grants, might have to make you an honorable taig for a day.

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