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Old 11-08-2013, 01:45 AM   #21
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Now they are even mucking about with the names of sports teams. The Washington Redskins have had that name since 1932 and now some middle-class white folks from the suburbs with nothing better to do are offended. None of the actual "redskins" I know are offended. They could care less.
I'm part Native American, prefer the term Indian like just about every fullblooded American Indian I grew up around on the Nez Perce Reservation and don't have any problem with sports team names like the Atlanta Braves, Cleveland Indians or Kansas City Chiefs. However, calling a team the Washington Redskins is as horribly offensive as calling them the Washington Spicks or the Washington Porch Monkeys would be!
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I've googled 'the merry christmas war' to no avail lol

can someone explain to me what's wrong with saying merry chistmas to someone ?
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Was she implying that? I tend to just scan her posts, as they're usually just flirtatious semi-role plays that get a bit samey after about five times.

Anyway, I'll keep you updated on this years war on Christmas, just do you can get agitated at how mindless I am.

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Yes, I know they're not the same thing at all, unlike the student union official. I was only responding to the quoted part of HMD's post above, which seemed to imply that pole fitness wasn't demeaning BECAUSE it wasn't stripping. And I've gotten to know HMD well enough that I'm pretty sure that's not what she meant to imply. I guess there's plenty of inarticulateness to go around!



Oh, and the "War on Christmas" is nothing more than a right-wing hoax to agitate their mindless followers.
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Old 11-08-2013, 12:46 PM   #24
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Was she implying that? I tend to just scan her posts, as they're usually just flirtatious semi-role plays that get a bit samey after about five times.

Anyway, I'll keep you updated on this years war on Christmas, just do you can get agitated at how mindless I am.

FINALLY! someone follows my advice! If you don't like what I look like, keep on walkin'. Likewise- if you don't like what I post, scan and move on.


wait wait- in all seriousness, aren't all your posts asshole remarks and tough guy attitude? LOL
A bit "samey", no?
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I wouldn't know. In England, an ass hole is something you bury a dead donkey in.
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Was she implying that? I tend to just scan her posts, as they're usually just flirtatious semi-role plays that get a bit samey after about five times.

Anyway, I'll keep you updated on this years war on Christmas, just do you can get agitated at how mindless I am.
I don't believe she intended to imply that. I think it was just the way she worded her post. And apparently I compounded the problem by not being entirely clear myself. Shit happens on Internet forums!

And I don't know how things are on your side of the pond, and I acknowledge the situation might be very different in the UK, but here in the US, the "War on Christmas" is a fantasy promulgated by ignorant wankers like Glen Beck and Bill O'Reilly, and stupid cunts like Ann Coulter, to rile up their viewers/listeners and ultimately make money through higher ratings and increased book sales. Most of the examples they give of this so-called war, when they even bother to cite any, turn out to be distortions, misinterpretations, or even outright lies, just like everything else they talk about. But, you're free and welcome to post about anything you like, especially here in the Rowdy Room!

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Of course the counter to that would be that the anti-Christmas brigade are undermining certain traditions whilst feigning innocence and declaring anyone who objects to be a righty nutjob. From where I'm sat you lefties and righties are like playground gangs, nothing more. An insult to reason, and to Western culture. Completely lacking in any ideology or moral compass, all that matters is that your side wins, the other side loses.

You may as well all fuck off to Pakistan and join the fucking Taliban!
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For whatever it's worth:

I consider myself center-left, as far as American politics goes. I freely admit to having disdain for the extreme right view in my country. But I have little regard for the extreme left either.

I'm hardly anti-Christmas. In fact, it's my favorite holiday. I don't hesitate to wish people a Merry Christmas. I also wish my Jewish friends a Happy Hanukah, and my African-American friends Happy Kwanzaa. I don't try to tell anyone how they should or shouldn't greet people during the Christmas season.

I agree with you that there are many on the left and right who fit your broad description, and other than their lack of using live ammunition and ordnance, are indistinguishable from the Taliban in their tactics.

And even though it's slightly premature, since we haven't observed our Thanksgiving Day yet, I'll go ahead and take this opportunity:

Merry Christmas Rotter, you miserable git!

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I've googled 'the merry christmas war' to no avail lol

can someone explain to me what's wrong with saying merry chistmas to someone ?
The nutjobs think that it's imposing your beliefs of God into the minds of others. They try to use it in the context of "separation of church and state."

I recall a similar incident happened a good while ago where a company banned the Easter Bunny decorations from being displayed because it was considered religious. The irony of that was humorous and shows how stupid these people really are.
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The original war on Christmas of course, was fought by the Parliamentarians, who after the English civil war, made celebrating Christmas illegal.

There was a documentary on television here a couple of years ago, "Are you a Roundhead, or a Cavalier?". The theory was that the civil war here had a much deeper and far reaching impact on English, and by turn, British society, than just simply deposing the divine right of our monarch to rule, and putting us on the road to something resembling democracy.

The idea, perhaps somewhat over simply, was proposed that the civil war also impacted our national psychee. That Britain is divided in to Roundheads and Cavaliers. The first, dour, disapproving, thrifty, authoritarian, killjoys. The second, fun-loving, tolerant, generous, happy go lucky.

The point was made that this contrast was not a political, but rather a behavioural one. To reinforce the point, examples were given from across the political spectrum of Roundheads and Cavaliers making willing political bedfellows. Ann Widdicombe and Boris Johnson from the Conservative party. Worth noting though, Cavaliers from the Labour Party were a bit thin on the ground!

Darksyde, the observations I made were political rather than personal ones. Yes, I know you didn't write as if you hadn't taken my comments personally, it's my experience of political discussions though that people tend to make politics very personal.

I try to be impartial, though its probably fair to say that my stances on immigration, Islam, multi-culturalism, Europe, those French bastards, cultural Marxism, the ever expanding political class, would give me the appearance of being a paranoid right wing bigot, rather than a brainwashed left wing killjoy.

I've never voted, I am toying with the idea of registering and voting for the British National Party at the next Euro elections, but probably won't. I am staunchly a-political, I have an opinion, that is that they're all a bunch of useless, self-serving wankers, that pay lip service to the needs of the people that vote for them, whilst licking the arses of those they truly serve - their paymasters. I have been told in the past that my stance on voting means I am not entitled to an opinion, but the fact that a huge chunk of the fruits of my labour go towards feathering the nest of the political class, makes bollocks of that idea!

Anyway, Merry Christmas to you too. Less of the git, thank you very much.
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Ironically in all this, most people seem to celebrate Christmas in a more pagan style, ie feasting, getting drunk and enjoying themselves, than in a Christian way, ie, using it to celebrate Jesus' life by attending church, literally Christ's mass.

Personally I'm in retail and my company have deemed it to be our day off for that week and having to start at 5am the next day so bah fucking humbug to you all and in the words of Kevin Bloody Wilson Ho Ho Fucking Ho...
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The original war on Christmas of course, was fought by the Parliamentarians, who after the English civil war, made celebrating Christmas illegal.

There was a documentary on television here a couple of years ago, "Are you a Roundhead, or a Cavalier?". The theory was that the civil war here had a much deeper and far reaching impact on English, and by turn, British society, than just simply deposing the divine right of our monarch to rule, and putting us on the road to something resembling democracy.

The idea, perhaps somewhat over simply, was proposed that the civil war also impacted our national psychee. That Britain is divided in to Roundheads and Cavaliers. The first, dour, disapproving, thrifty, authoritarian, killjoys. The second, fun-loving, tolerant, generous, happy go lucky.

The point was made that this contrast was not a political, but rather a behavioural one. To reinforce the point, examples were given from across the political spectrum of Roundheads and Cavaliers making willing political bedfellows. Ann Widdicombe and Boris Johnson from the Conservative party. Worth noting though, Cavaliers from the Labour Party were a bit thin on the ground!

Darksyde, the observations I made were political rather than personal ones. Yes, I know you didn't write as if you hadn't taken my comments personally, it's my experience of political discussions though that people tend to make politics very personal.

I try to be impartial, though its probably fair to say that my stances on immigration, Islam, multi-culturalism, Europe, those French bastards, cultural Marxism, the ever expanding political class, would give me the appearance of being a paranoid right wing bigot, rather than a brainwashed left wing killjoy.

I've never voted, I am toying with the idea of registering and voting for the British National Party at the next Euro elections, but probably won't. I am staunchly a-political, I have an opinion, that is that they're all a bunch of useless, self-serving wankers, that pay lip service to the needs of the people that vote for them, whilst licking the arses of those they truly serve - their paymasters. I have been told in the past that my stance on voting means I am not entitled to an opinion, but the fact that a huge chunk of the fruits of my labour go towards feathering the nest of the political class, makes bollocks of that idea!

Anyway, Merry Christmas to you too. Less of the git, thank you very much.
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I humbly apologise.

I realise now that you are a supremely intelligent, rude, misogynistic, provocative, stirring, unpolitically-correct, bovver boy throwback.


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As for banning Merry Christmas, has anyone actually been asked to not use the term? Or is that another urban legend put about by people who think anyone who detests racism is in fact just being PC...
It's only the fact that I have known you so well for so long that keeps me from unpacking the flame thrower. I'm sure you weren't referring to me in the "anyone who detests racism is just being PC" remark.

Like Somedude, I am also part Native American. My grandmother was from the Narragansett tribe and we have always been proud of that heritage. For the record, although the term "redskin" was a perjorative term a hundred years ago, using it as the name of a sports team doesn't bother me or any of my family since we do not feel it pertains to us or anyone we know.

I have many prejudices, but none of them have to do with race or religion or sexual orientation or country of origin or any of the more traditional reasons for mindless hating.
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It's only the fact that I have known you so well for so long that keeps me from unpacking the flame thrower. I'm sure you weren't referring to me in the "anyone who detests racism is just being PC" remark.

Like Somedude, I am also part Native American. My grandmother was from the Narragansett tribe and we have always been proud of that heritage. For the record, although the term "redskin" was a perjorative term a hundred years ago, using it as the name of a sports team doesn't bother me or any of my family since we do not feel it pertains to us or anyone we know.

I have many prejudices, but none of them have to do with race or religion or sexual orientation or country of origin or any of the more traditional reasons for mindless hating.
I know you do not Sierra, it was not aimed at anyone in particular, neither is what I am about to say, still, you don't 'alf look sexy with bunched up panties, wanna hand with them?

I was just musing a little, mainly because in the UK these type of stories seem to come from the same kind of sources, the more rabid right wing, hate everything that is not them papers, usually using it to knock the left. And which normally when placed under the cold light of investigation turn out to be nothing more than horseshi. And to picture what I mean, one of which is owned by the same multinational thats owns Fox news. And a few that makes Der Sturmer look like a hotbed of left wing radicalism.

Plus, well I was also musing about the way we celebrate Christmas, how many of us go to church, or even know the story? And anyway, one of the tradition names, Yule, comes from an ancient Pagan festival, Germanic I believe. Maybe we need freedom to use both a religious and more secular title for the time? I'll have to ask a couple of pagan friends of mine if they use a different name or if they use Christmas as well...

Some of the things that are considered PC by some, like not setting out to offend others of another race, gender, religion or whatever, I just consider it just plain good manners, plus, well listen to their story, you never know, you may learn something.

But, neither do I believe there is anything inherently wrong about discussing matters such as immigration and religion, it is not bigoted to query whether a country has room for more people, in fact it's quite healthy. It when it spills over into discussions about those who were born here to first, second, etc generation immigrants that I feel a little disquiet.
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Yes, because anyone who dares question how much immigration we have in the UK must be some sort of bigot, eh?
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Well that does seem to be the way of it, though to be fair, when you have one of the major anti immigration parties also having a whites only membership policy, well, surely you can imagine how that would look.

My problem is, well have an annoying inability to see things in black and white, if you pardon the pun, terms. In fact people who see things as absolutes scare me a little. Whereas some only see one set of traits in people at large, for example, those signing on are hard working people looking for a break/ lazy, good for nothing scroungers just out to fiddle the poor, hard working tax payer (delete according to political hue, I see a group containing both, and all shades between. Same for race, religion, gender, sexuality, whatever, the group contains good and bad.
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