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Old 04-28-2018, 09:42 AM   #761
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Your contention that the IRA had no right to carry the war to England is typical British arrogance. You made this mess..
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From the nation that carried out the most wide spread, prolonged, sustained, policies of genocide, government sanctioned racism and ethnic cleansing in modern history, which is still going on today, all within its own borders, an accusation of arrogance is fucking rich!
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I agree FR, and unlike you I'm man enough to admit when my government is in the wrong. I disagree with the USA stance on supporting Israels ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, I disagree with our "regime change" policies and general meddling in international affairs.

There comes a point when we just have to put our hands up to wrongdoing in our name by our own leaders.
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Difference being that whilst US settlers ethnically cleansed and murdered native Americans without provocation, whilst importing millions of slaves to work the land that they stole, conflict in the British Isles between English and Irish is very much six of one, and half dozen of the other.

England Norman rulers first intervened at the request of a deposed Irish king who had sought refuge in Bristol, he had the support of the Pope and quite rightly wanted his land back! Rather foolishly other local chieftans (they all had the nerve to call themselves kings) had other ideas and decided to take on the Normans. Oops!

Any way, "my" government does not act in my name, it acts against me. It steals from me, it brutalises me, it forces me to accept things I do not consent to. I am in the same boat as Paddy. Which makes it all the more annoying when Paddy comes here and plants bombs in the pubs where I drink and the streets that I walk.
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No arguement on the national disgrace that is our treatment of native Americans. But it started with the British. The first known case of biological warfare in the planet was the British giving smallpox infected blankets to native Americans.
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The Indians destroyed several of the smaller British forts, but Fort Pitt (present-day Pittsburgh, Pa.) held out under the command of Captain Simeon Ecuyer, a 22-year veteran Swiss mercenary in the British service. Ecuyer, whose native language was French, also spoke German, the predominant language of his native Switzerland; the British had retained him because many settlers in Pennsylvania also spoke German. Smallpox had broken out among the British garrison, and during a parley on June 24, 1763, Ecuyer gave besieging Lenape warriors several items taken from smallpox patients. “We gave them two blankets and a handkerchief out of the smallpox hospital,” Captain William Trent of the garrison militia wrote in his journal. “I hope it will have the desired effect.”
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While we are linking native Americans with Ireland, the Choctaw nation raised money and food to send to the Irish during the famine.
While only a few years from induced famine themselves. The Chocktaw acted to feed the Irish more than the crown. GO RAIGH MAIGH AGAT , Chocktaw

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Ah yes, the "British started it" justification. Apparently Americans can do no wrong, and it was Europeans that devastated two entire continents, the British being an especially nasty bunch.

Never mind that American settlers fought a war to be rid of the British, and that one of your biggest holidays celebrates escaping from the British to the promised land where you were "free" to practise genocide and slavery on your own terms!
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Digress all you like, but the fact is the conflict on the island of Ireland is down to the occupation by the British. If they had fucked off from Ireland in 1922 or even in the 1970's, Ireland would be reunited and at full peace.

Most English people I know don't have any idea of what the Irish conflict was about, and could care less even if they did. The arrogance of many British MPs by brushing off the border issue proves this. They don't understand or care how fragile peace is over there and would gladly risk a return to violence just so they can wrap Brexit up asap.
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Again, the only time Ireland was united was when it was part of the United Kingdom. It certainly wasn’t at peace before the Normans invaded. Leaving in 1920 or 1970 would just have left a unionist population in the north in exactly the same position as the nationalist population is now. Being part of a country they wanted no part of, and at war with every one around them.
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Of course pre Norman Ireland wasn't peaceful, neither was the rest of Europe. It was the dark fucking ages. As overlords go the Normans weren't so bad, they assimilated rather quickly. Irish surnames starting with Fitz are Norman in origin. things turned to shit when the English gained ascendancy over the Normans. Cromwell, the Penal laws and all the rest.

The difference with the unionist population is that they were installed in Ireland by a foreign power. And the loyalist remaining in the south after 1921 suffered absolutely no reprisals.
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If you hadn't noticed, Europe hasn't really ever been at peace. Grant seems to want a "reunited" Ireland, so sure, have it, we'll take it back thank you very much. The United Kingdom wasn't a foreign power, Ireland was a part of that power. So the government were a bit horrible to you? So what? Governments are a bit horrible to its citizens the world over. The same government that starved Paddy, hung trade unionists in Dorset, and only a few generations later put women in prison and force fed them for having the audacity to want a say in how the country was run. Conscripted men in their millions and sent them to die in muddy fields abroad.

So where we are today is we have a divided Ireland, thanks to the efforts of the republican movement. The political class there, along with Sinn Fein in the North, seem hell bent on handing the whole lot over to Brussels. It is fucking laughable!

What is going to happen when the European federalists dream of a "defence" force is realised, and Brussels comes knocking on Dublins door looking for the famous fighting Irish? Is Ireland going to be able to retain its neutrality and its place in that Federation at the same time?

And what do you think would have happened in Belfast if the British government had done as Grants suggests and handed it over to Dublin when the troubles started? Do you think the loyalist communities would have just sat down for it? Of course they fucking wouldn't! Or at least they'd take it about as much if Washington decided to hand New Mexico over to Mexico just because it has the word "Mexico" in the name, and some people who live there identify as "Mexican". Would there be "no reprisals" then?

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The difference with the unionist population is that they were installed in Ireland by a foreign power. And the loyalist remaining in the south after 1921 suffered absolutely no reprisals.
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From an Irish perspective, the UK is very much a foreign power. The failure of all sides to understand how others percieve things is at the heart of this is so hard to resolve. Brings to mind Churchill's quote " the problem with the Irish is that they refuse to be English"

Its doubtful that the loyalists could have mounted any kind of meaningful insurgency. They had never faced any serious threat from the security forces. Some riots perhaps, not much more.
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I have to confess to a slght inaccuracy throughout this thread. Ireland was briefly both independant and united during the early days of the Irish Free State. At least until the Northern Ireland parliament voted to rejoin the United Kingdom. Sorry about that!

Does lend another perspective though. Obviously not all Irish people view the United Kingdom as a foreign power.
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An Alliance Party councillor has condemned as “racist” grafitti that has appeared on East Belfast vacant social housing that reads “local only”. The councillor described the vandalism as “a hate crime” according to the BBC Northern Ireland news web page.

Of course, virtue signalling political types are just silly arses. Apparently it is also racist for a Mexican restaurant to give sombrero hats to students, because it reinforces cultural stereotypes. It is also racist for Morris dancers to “black up”, even though it has been going on for centuries and not one single pitchfork carrying mob ever rocked up to Toxteth in all those hundreds of years intent on lynching the local Moorish population whose dancing is thought to have inspired the form to begin with.

So yes, sectarian undertones perhaps, given it is Belfast. Racist though? I may be missing some thing, but do Irish catholics have a secret brown patch of skin or whatever, that sets them apart from other ginger haired bastards?
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Another spade of dirt on the grave of the SDLP. DUP out polled them 27% to 13%. In West Tyrone! I'm a little surprised the Unionists didn't use the strategic voting tactic they have in the past. In a district they have no realistic chance of winning, their voters are urged to vote SDLP, the theory being the pale green watered down nationalism of the SDLP is preferable to Sinn Fein.
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