POP QUIZ! why dont they rape? - Rape Board

Darkman · 03-22-2007, 04:09 AM

Im always amazed that more women aren't raped to be honest. I wonder why that is, do you think that its because more attacker/s are:

1. Afraid of punishment?

2. Good morals?

Darkman · 03-22-2007, 04:13 AM

oh yeah i should have said, imagine that it was 100% legal to rape a woman then think about it.

NightStalker73au · 03-22-2007, 04:16 AM

i doubt that authorities would allow it become law to rape women.

Darkman · 03-22-2007, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by NightStalker73au

i doubt that authorities would allow it become law to rape women.

of course they wouldnt i said imagine you cretin

NightStalker73au · 03-22-2007, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkman

of course they wouldnt i said imagine you cretin

*shuts mouth and wanders back to the darkness alone,..*

somedude · 03-22-2007, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkman

of course they wouldnt i said imagine you cretin

It's clearly posted no personal insults outside the Rowdy Room! Let's keep it polite Darkman!

Darkman · 03-22-2007, 05:30 AM

ok ok ill be nice does anyone have an actual opinion?

somedude · 03-22-2007, 05:35 AM

I do! I think it's morals rather than fear of punishment.

Louise · 03-22-2007, 05:48 AM

Look at it at a lower level first. If you knew you weren’t going to be caught and were given the opportunity to steal a really expensive car…would you do it?

Does society work because of the rules, or because of moral self discipline…

I think those who consider rape acceptable rape regardless of the law and do so today even with the threat of punishment. There is undoubtedly a significant minority of people who think rape acceptable but are too afraid of punishment to act on it…since rape is such a cowardly act anyway...without the threat of punishment I suspect there would be an increase in incidence of rape.

Morality is defined not by society but by personal self interrogation, so it is a relatively easy task to justify rape to oneself if you are only acting in judgement of yourself…it’s the threat of punishment that controls more baser animalistic instincts. One only has to look at places where the threat of punishment, law and order, has degraded or vanished entirely...Sudan, Congo, Rwanda, Iraq...
Rape in those places becomes as common as theft is here in "ordered" society.

Is that depressing? Probably.

So, I disagree with the Marshal, I think its punishment that stops would be rapists from enacting their wants.

Louise · 03-22-2007, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkman

Im always amazed that more women aren't raped to be honest.

Oh...and I think many, many more women ARE raped than we can possibly imagine by looking at official figures. Estimates vary, but using my circle of friends Id say at least half of them have had some form of sexual assault in their lives...

Darkman · 03-22-2007, 05:56 AM

An interesting and well put forward case! i never thought of rape in that way before, as in cowardly in nature, so in essence they are afraid of puishment i see that now. However I think that if it was legal, then at loads of people you wouldnt expect would do it, im not condoning that by the way just an opinion of base human desires!

Tanya · 03-22-2007, 06:04 AM

Suprised more people arnt raped???? You know the estimate is 1 in 3 or 1 in 4 women are raped right?

Sternenlied · 03-22-2007, 08:29 AM

Well, first of all - when talking about numbers - we should differentiate between locations. You can't take the estimated number of rape victims in one area/country and extrapolate a number for all over the world.

As to what stops men from raping women: I'd go for fear of punishment as well.
Just look at places where prosecution is highly unlikely (like new orleans after the hurricane) because of chaos or maybe the absence of authority. Another situation: Ethnic cleansings and genocide - organised mass rape is considered a "legal" measure by the forces behind it so their soldiers/milita/whatever have no punishment to fear.
So I'd have to agree with Louise on that.
On the other hand I don't think stealing something can't be compared to rape or murder. The threshold is much higher and hard to cross than just stealing without actually hurting someone. That's the reason because penalties for non-violent crimes are usually much lower. So I don't think people who would agree they'd steal if they were sure never to be prosecuted have to be considered potential rapists as well.
Ethics and morale are no constants in an equation, they are variables for everyone to put in individually. So I don't think we can hold on to morale as a pillar for safety. If that were so we wouldn't need laws and a police force, would we?
Of course I won't accuse every man of being a rapist at heart, I really believe there are men (most of them that is) who actually consider rape not just a crime but something profoundly wrong. But since I'm positive every human is a potential killer (given certain circumstances) I'm also sure most men could become a rapist.
So I would say there is no absolute "this" or "that", I think this is too vast a field to give one single answer.

Louise · 03-22-2007, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sternenlied

On the other hand I don't think stealing something can't be compared to rape or murder. The threshold is much higher and hard to cross than just stealing without actually hurting someone. That's the reason because penalties for non-violent crimes are usually much lower. So I don't think people who would agree they'd steal if they were sure never to be prosecuted have to be considered potential rapists as well.

I agree Stern, my intention was certainly not to compare someone who can justify stealing or even commit GBH to someone who is able to self justify rape.

I like the concept that we each have individual "thresholds" that would pre-empt a certain behaviour...

And determining what exactly those thresholds are would certainly be an impossible task

Sternenlied · 03-22-2007, 09:25 AM

I actually support the theory of individual thresholds!
I just think they are influenced by outside factors so much one can't ensure a certain behaviour (or deny it for that matter) in general.
Cannibalism is a good example. Most people would agree on not having any interest in eating human flesh. They find the thought alone repulsive, but - as history has already proven - when faced with extraordinary situations people actually did consume it.
I think that goes for anything else. Given the right circumstances and situation people are capable of almost everything.

Rogue · 03-22-2007, 09:37 AM

Not only punishment but afterwards, being on the sex offenders list. Difficult to get jobs, what if your neighbours find out. The shame, being abandoned by family and friends.

sindyloo · 03-22-2007, 11:32 AM

Mostly the fear of being caught deters most rapists! as they always picture it happening to them as Bubba is reaming out their non-virgin asshole in his new prison cell!

OH?? And by the way??? Watch who you INSULT here ASSHOLE!! OR I will tear you a NEW ONE!!

innocent · 03-22-2007, 12:56 PM

first warning sindy re insult.
somedude had already asked nicely earlier in the thread to keep it polite so afraid i now have to give out warning

Andering REDDSON · 03-22-2007, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Darkman

1. Afraid of punishment?
2. Good morals?

Both. Nobody would want to face the punishment(s), and most of us are raised better anyways.

Darkman · 03-23-2007, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Tanya

Suprised more people arnt raped???? You know the estimate is 1 in 3 or 1 in 4 women are raped right?

wow wasnt aware that was the stat i thought it would be much lower

03-22-2007, 04:09 AM	#1
Darkman its all give and take Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 688 Reputation: 179	POP QUIZ! why dont they rape? Im always amazed that more women aren't raped to be honest. I wonder why that is, do you think that its because more attacker/s are: 1. Afraid of punishment? 2. Good morals?

03-22-2007, 04:16 AM	#3
NightStalker73au Alone Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: In The Darkness waiting..... Posts: 587 Reputation: 963	i doubt that authorities would allow it become law to rape women. __________________ I stalk the night, looking for her My next victim to take away from here She will be the prize to my collection A joy for me to hold and use at my discretion I belong to the night, stalking it and surveying taking what I need to suffice my desires I am the NightStalker

03-22-2007, 05:35 AM	#8
somedude W.I.R. and Marshal Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Way out West!!!! Posts: 8,566 Reputation: 124981	I do! I think it's morals rather than fear of punishment. __________________ I'm a pervert and proud of it!

03-22-2007, 05:48 AM	#9
Louise Privileged Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,865 Reputation: 4905	Look at it at a lower level first. If you knew you weren’t going to be caught and were given the opportunity to steal a really expensive car…would you do it? Does society work because of the rules, or because of moral self discipline… I think those who consider rape acceptable rape regardless of the law and do so today even with the threat of punishment. There is undoubtedly a significant minority of people who think rape acceptable but are too afraid of punishment to act on it…since rape is such a cowardly act anyway...without the threat of punishment I suspect there would be an increase in incidence of rape. Morality is defined not by society but by personal self interrogation, so it is a relatively easy task to justify rape to oneself if you are only acting in judgement of yourself…it’s the threat of punishment that controls more baser animalistic instincts. One only has to look at places where the threat of punishment, law and order, has degraded or vanished entirely...Sudan, Congo, Rwanda, Iraq... Rape in those places becomes as common as theft is here in "ordered" society. Is that depressing? Probably. So, I disagree with the Marshal, I think its punishment that stops would be rapists from enacting their wants. __________________ ...no mercy in thy icy heart, for the lost prey you stalk and hunt, only the lust... Last edited by Louise; 03-22-2007 at 05:51 AM.

03-22-2007, 06:04 AM	#12
Tanya Privileged Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 505 Reputation: 2134	Suprised more people arnt raped???? You know the estimate is 1 in 3 or 1 in 4 women are raped right? __________________ When im good im very very good, but when im bad im better!

03-22-2007, 04:13 AM	#2
Darkman its all give and take Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 688 Reputation: 179	oh yeah i should have said, imagine that it was 100% legal to rape a woman then think about it.

03-22-2007, 05:30 AM	#7
Darkman its all give and take Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 688 Reputation: 179	ok ok ill be nice does anyone have an actual opinion?

03-22-2007, 05:56 AM	#11
Darkman its all give and take Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 688 Reputation: 179	An interesting and well put forward case! i never thought of rape in that way before, as in cowardly in nature, so in essence they are afraid of puishment i see that now. However I think that if it was legal, then at loads of people you wouldnt expect would do it, im not condoning that by the way just an opinion of base human desires!

03-22-2007, 08:29 AM	#13
Sternenlied Unknown Entity Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Niflheim Posts: 2,427 Reputation: 77819	Well, first of all - when talking about numbers - we should differentiate between locations. You can't take the estimated number of rape victims in one area/country and extrapolate a number for all over the world. As to what stops men from raping women: I'd go for fear of punishment as well. Just look at places where prosecution is highly unlikely (like new orleans after the hurricane) because of chaos or maybe the absence of authority. Another situation: Ethnic cleansings and genocide - organised mass rape is considered a "legal" measure by the forces behind it so their soldiers/milita/whatever have no punishment to fear. So I'd have to agree with Louise on that. On the other hand I don't think stealing something can't be compared to rape or murder. The threshold is much higher and hard to cross than just stealing without actually hurting someone. That's the reason because penalties for non-violent crimes are usually much lower. So I don't think people who would agree they'd steal if they were sure never to be prosecuted have to be considered potential rapists as well. Ethics and morale are no constants in an equation, they are variables for everyone to put in individually. So I don't think we can hold on to morale as a pillar for safety. If that were so we wouldn't need laws and a police force, would we? Of course I won't accuse every man of being a rapist at heart, I really believe there are men (most of them that is) who actually consider rape not just a crime but something profoundly wrong. But since I'm positive every human is a potential killer (given certain circumstances) I'm also sure most men could become a rapist. So I would say there is no absolute "this" or "that", I think this is too vast a field to give one single answer. __________________ The Life and Death of Sam Crow - How the Sons of Anarchy lost their way

03-22-2007, 09:25 AM	#15
Sternenlied Unknown Entity Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Niflheim Posts: 2,427 Reputation: 77819	I actually support the theory of individual thresholds! I just think they are influenced by outside factors so much one can't ensure a certain behaviour (or deny it for that matter) in general. Cannibalism is a good example. Most people would agree on not having any interest in eating human flesh. They find the thought alone repulsive, but - as history has already proven - when faced with extraordinary situations people actually did consume it. I think that goes for anything else. Given the right circumstances and situation people are capable of almost everything. __________________ The Life and Death of Sam Crow - How the Sons of Anarchy lost their way

03-22-2007, 09:37 AM	#16
Rogue Immoral Irishman Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,344 Reputation: 20982	Not only punishment but afterwards, being on the sex offenders list. Difficult to get jobs, what if your neighbours find out. The shame, being abandoned by family and friends. __________________ â€œBefore you criticize a woman, you should walk a mile in her shoes. That way, when you criticize her, you are a mile away and you have her shoes.â€

03-22-2007, 11:32 AM	#17
sindyloo Privileged Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,178 Reputation: 34844	Mostly the fear of being caught deters most rapists! as they always picture it happening to them as Bubba is reaming out their non-virgin asshole in his new prison cell! OH?? And by the way??? Watch who you INSULT here ASSHOLE!! OR I will tear you a NEW ONE!! __________________ Tommy Loy, the cabin boy, The dirty little nipper, He filled his ass With broken glass And cirumcized the skipper!

03-22-2007, 12:56 PM	#18
innocent Privileged Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: uk Posts: 2,110 Reputation: 9976	first warning sindy re insult. somedude had already asked nicely earlier in the thread to keep it polite so afraid i now have to give out warning