Raymond Pist, enemy of free speech

[Pieter G.]

It seems that Raymond Pist, Objectivist, Neo-Fascist, and alleged Libertarian is threatening to have Rape Club shut down because he has been excluded from the site.

Now RC has problems, and has banned many far too easlily, but Mr. Pist's camapign to shut down RC by complaining to the US government because of pornographic content threatens our entire community.

Threfore, I challenge Mr. Pist-wipe to a public debate. What did RC do that was sooooooo bad that you neet to threaten the outing of our entire community to our friends and family?

[Emily Johnson]

I'm not sure Pist is even a member here.

[Grm]

Originally Posted by Emily Johnson

I'm not sure Pist is even a member here.

He isn't Emily, I can't see the point of Peter G's post really. People do get pissed when they are banned, take the only member to be banned here, Spaulding4prez, I only banned him for 7 days but he keeps coming back under some new name, somedude and I have banned him 18 times so far, what a complete idiot!
Sheriff
Grm

[Rheostatic]

Originally Posted by Pieter G.

What did RC do that was sooooooo bad that you neet to threaten the outing of our entire community to our friends and family?

Shutting down a site and "outing the community to friends/fam" are very different things. Would it even be possible to track personal information for release to the public?

[cindyq11]

As one poster Stopek used to say,

Does this please you? Yeah, I am a dyke, and I love it.

Originally Posted by Pieter G.

It seems that Raymond Pist, Objectivist, Neo-Fascist, and alleged Libertarian is threatening to have Rape Club shut down because he has been excluded from the site.

Now RC has problems, and has banned many far too easlily, but Mr. Pist's camapign to shut down RC by complaining to the US government because of pornographic content threatens our entire community.

Threfore, I challenge Mr. Pist-wipe to a public debate. What did RC do that was sooooooo bad that you neet to threaten the outing of our entire community to our friends and family?

you'd be surprised at how easy it would be to shut RC down

however, the creator of the site, someone i care about very much, put a lot of thought and effort into it and besides a few incopempetent admin/mods and guests, there are more good people than bad that use the site

anyways, one incopetent admin already resigned his position there, i think its just a matter of time before the remaining admins (a teenage girl w/ anger issues and a wannabe IT guy) really fuck up the site and itll ruin itself..


sad really

Much adieu about nothing really. A fuckwit making idle threats.

PG, don't you ever get tired of attacking people?

[Emily Johnson]

RayPist seems to think that by being banned, RC has violated his rights to free speech. But the fact is that these boards are private, not public property. No tax monies go to support them and that makes them private.

The courts have ruled many times on this issue and they always back the rights of the property owner. The best example was a poilitical group that sued over the right to hand out their pamplets at a local mall, believing it was public because the mall is open to the public. The courts said no, open to the public does not make shopping malls public property.

The internet is a big place and webserver space is cheap. Space to host a site like this can cost anywhere from $4-7/month. If Pist wants to make his own rules I suggest he start his own board.

These sites exist to provide a safe place for the discussion of rape fantasy. If the admins or owners of the site decide that someone is not in line with their concept of a safe space, they have every right to ban the individual. Actually they can ban whomever they want. It is private property. They can ban someone just because ........

[somedude]

I'm just wondering who this Pieter G. guy is? In his user file he says PG referred him to the site but she has no idea who he is! Hmmmmmmm!

[pravjey]

There is of course the interesting question as to what Raypist did to get banned in the first place. It is not going to look too good for him if it was because he breached the forum policy or posted legally questionable material.

Originally Posted by IveGotSomething2Say

He posted it because he is afraid that this site could get shut down as well, if RC is shut down. He made that pretty clear. Don't be so quick to call anyone else an idiot henceforth.

And insults are not allowed on this forum, correct? Ok Sherrif, you made your policy, now you get your first warning.

Oh and Cleanfun4all also called someone a fuckwit. Which is also hypocricy, but that's not my point. "Fuckwit" counts as an insult. First warning for you as well, CF.

SPAULDING4PREZ ALERT!!!!!!!!!!

LMAO.

Hey there Spaulding. Man, dont' you ever give up?

Yes, I admit it. I called Raymond Pist a fuckwit and he is. But since, as GRM noted, Pist is not a member here, it doesn't matter what I called him.

[Raymond Pist]

Originally Posted by Pieter G.

It seems that Raymond Pist, Objectivist, Neo-Fascist, and alleged Libertarian is threatening to have Rape Club shut down because he has been excluded from the site.

Now RC has problems, and has banned many far too easlily, but Mr. Pist's camapign to shut down RC by complaining to the US government because of pornographic content threatens our entire community.

Threfore, I challenge Mr. Pist-wipe to a public debate. What did RC do that was sooooooo bad that you neet to threaten the outing of our entire community to our friends and family?

Fair enough,though the irony of course is that this public debate must take place here, rather than at RC, where it began. Because I currently am unable to post on RC--what with being banned and all. This challenge would have gone unanswered except for the fact that some of my old friends from RC called it to my attention.

Let's start with your last question first: What RC did, specifically, is ban me, not because I broke any laws or any rules, but because someone didn't like some of the things I said (while other people DID like the same things, and still others took the more appropriate position that I was entitled to my opinions, even if they dissagreed. And of course, everyone had the option to use the "ignore" button on me.) I was banned, permanently, without warning, and without good reason, from a forum where I made numerous on-topic contributions, and made more than a few friends. That's what they did.

Does it warrent "outing the community to your friends and family"? No. Nor do I understand why you would think that I have the power to do that. I don't know any of your family or friends. Most people don't post under their real names. And my beef is not with any individual member of RC. Just with the administrator who wrongly banned me. And even for that, I hold no real animosity, I only asked that the situation be resolved.

[update regarding that: one of the current administrators, who also feels that I was unfairly bannished, is working on getting me reinstated--which again, is all I asked. No harm, no foul.]

RC and online communities like it exist only because they fly under the radar of those busybodies who would like to see it censored. Just bringing it to the attention of these holier-than-thou pencil-pushers would likely be the beginning of the end of RC. (And while they look for ways to pull the plug, RC would be under such intense scrutiny, that NOBODY would feel free to speak their minds.)

THIS is what was done to me. Is my nose for irony really that keen, that I'm the only one who can see it? I'm going to type this next bit really slowly: THEY prevented ME from posting, sooooooooooooo my only recourse was to say "Excuse me, but if you don't allow me to post, I'll do that which is in my power to show you how it feels to not be allowed to post." It's the only option I had. While I believe in free speech on the internet, forgive me if I don't shed a tear at the prospect of those who do NOT believe in free speech being censored. Those who CLAIM to believe in free speech, but mean free speech only for themselves and not others, are much less deserving of that right.

Finally, we're up to your first sentence. Objectivists and Liberertarians rarely see eye to eye (Objectivists claim that Libertarans "stole" the idea of freedom from them. ) And of course, neither Objectivists nor Libertarians suffer Fascists gladly. And Fascists hate everybody.

I haven't threatened to shut RC down. Again, I don't know why you would endow me with such superpowers. I only threatened to bring RC to the attention of those type of people who like to shut these types of things down. And only that, IF I wasn't allowed to post there, just like everyone else who abides by the rules.

NOBODY who posts there wants RC to be shut down. Again, I've been in contact with some very sensible people who agree that having a pissing match is silly when we really all just want the same thing: to be able to discuss our opinions in a vibrant online community on topics which interest us all. There are some technical issues yet to be hammered out, and there is some concern about how some of the folks who were responsible for getting me unfairly banned in the first place will respond to my return.

So you see, there is no need at the moment to be overly concerned with me carrying out my threat anyway. I'm confident that in the end, freedom will prevail---it usually does in the long run.

------Ray

PS...Kudo's to the admin of THIS board for allowing RC a forum for our off-campus debate.

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.


Pastor Martin Niemöller

[cindyq11]

"If my theory proves to be correct,
The Germans would call me a German, and the French would call me a universal genius.

However, if wrong, the French would call me a German, and the the Germans would call me a Jew."

Albert Einstein.

Really, I don't know why anybody would want to join RC.

I joined, mentioned some good snuff stories at Hidden Dreams, and then I got banned. Then they invited me back.

This is about the most active board on this topic matter, there is. I love it.

But with the current trends, all boards such as this would eventually bite the dust. Hope not, especially for next few years.

It has been especially hard for a deviant like me to adjust in this "straight" world. I never knew until the internet, that there were people like me with like interest. Oh, well, if it goes, it goes. By that time I would be so brain washed with straight dogma, I wouldn't care.

[Grm]

You are welcome here Raymond,
Rape Board has a number of RC refugees among its members,[including me], I believe in free speech, as long as you don't break the guidlines; i.e, no pictures of under 18s, no stories with subjects under 14 and no personal insults. Other than that, you can disagree with me or posts of other members as long as you don't make personal attacks.
Grm

[Grm]

Originally Posted by cindyq11

"If my theory proves to be correct,
The Germans would call me a German, and the French would call me a universal genius.

However, if wrong, the French would call me a German, and the the Germans would call me a Jew."

Albert Einstein.

Really, I don't know why anybody would want to join RC.

I joined, mentioned some good snuff stories at Hidden Dreams, and then I got banned. Then they invited me back.

This is about the most active board on this topic matter, there is. I love it.

But with the current trends, all boards such as this would eventually bite the dust. Hope not, especially for next few years.

It has been especially hard for a deviant like me to adjust in this "straight" world. I never knew until the internet, that there were people like me with like interest. Oh, well, if it goes, it goes. By that time I would be so brain washed with straight dogma, I wouldn't care.

Long live deviants, they bring honesty to the hipocrites of this world who only desire silence.
Grm

Originally Posted by Grm

You are welcome here Raymond,
Rape Board has a number of RC refugees among its members,[including me], I believe in free speech, as long as you don't break the guidlines; i.e, no pictures of under 18s, no stories with subjects under 14 and no personal insults. Other than that, you can disagree with me or posts of other members as long as you don't make personal attacks.
Grm

Agree with the above Grm and after reading all the posts in this thread the only thing i can say is I hate politics, it does not belong in a group that is here to share our common interests in rape fantasy. Idle specutalation, threats, back stabbing and all that shite. Most of us are adults, this is not the school playground, we are not snotty nose little children and there should be none of the above i mention in this forum.

And at the end of the day if the powers that be want to shut down the site the will do and there would be little we can do anout it, there are plenty of person's in the community that would object to this forum, for example they have got tough in the UK on accessing extreme and rape sites. As of Dec 05 any UK citizen downloading obscence publications IE rape movies fantasy or not and/or paying for memberships for the rape sites face the same penalties as downloading child porn and are arrestable for the offence under the obsence publications act.

Enough said by Clan Hunter

[Raymond Pist]

Originally Posted by Grm

You are welcome here Raymond,
Rape Board has a number of RC refugees among its members,[including me], I believe in free speech, as long as you don't break the guidlines; i.e, no pictures of under 18s, no stories with subjects under 14 and no personal insults. Other than that, you can disagree with me or posts of other members as long as you don't make personal attacks.
Grm

Fair 'nuff.
And now that I've been allowed to make my case, including the part about how my actions where actually in SUPPORT of freedom of speech, I'm hoping we can change the name of this thread (I suggested on that I like in the subject line of this post.)

Indeed, for me, there is no worse personal attack than to be called an "enemy of free speech".

--Ray

[angryangrybastard]

Originally Posted by Raymond Pist

Fair enough,though the irony of course is that this public debate must take place here, rather than at RC, where it began. Because I currently am unable to post on RC--what with being banned and all. This challenge would have gone unanswered except for the fact that some of my old friends from RC called it to my attention.

Let's start with your last question first: What RC did, specifically, is ban me, not because I broke any laws or any rules, but because someone didn't like some of the things I said

As party to the discussion when Raymond was banned, and having wanted him banned prior to him being banned, the reasons he was banned were:

- Spamming the hell out of boards with subtle iterations of the same question that no one could keep up with, no one was interested in and made any and all other posts hard to find and keep track of.

- Intimidating the female members.

- Two allegations of actually having raped people made against him by otherwise unconnected members.

Originally Posted by Raymond Pist

not because I broke any laws or any rules

You broke rules both unwritten and written and, by any sane definition, are alleged to have broken laws.

Originally Posted by Raymond Pist

but because someone didn't like some of the things I said (while other people DID like the same things, and still others took the more appropriate position that I was entitled to my opinions, even if they dissagreed. And of course, everyone had the option to use the "ignore" button on me.) I was banned, permanently, without warning, and without good reason, from a forum where I made numerous on-topic contributions, and made more than a few friends. That's what they did.

What we, collectively and as a community, did was prevent someone from posting things that made the functioning of the board complicated and unwieldy, blocked someone who was turning away the very members we sought to attract and blocked someone who reportedly had trouble distinguishing where fantasy ended and reality began.

At what point is free speech guaranteed?
At what point did anyone pretend to be interested in your opinion?
You're talking about a privately owned board that, at the time of banning, was hosted in the EU and cared not one iota for the US Constitution and, by extension, the freedoms guaranteed within. We didn't want you little boy, live with it.

Originally Posted by Raymond Pist

Does it warrent "outing the community to your friends and family"? No. Nor do I understand why you would think that I have the power to do that. I don't know any of your family or friends. Most people don't post under their real names. And my beef is not with any individual member of RC. Just with the administrator who wrongly banned me. And even for that, I hold no real animosity, I only asked that the situation be resolved.

Admins have every right to ban whoever they want without warning and for whatever reason. The only "wrong" thing is your view of reality, presentation of "facts" and sense of injustice.

Originally Posted by Raymond Pist

[update regarding that: one of the current administrators, who also feels that I was unfairly bannished, is working on getting me reinstated--which again, is all I asked. No harm, no foul.]

No admin is working on Pist's behalf and no petition will end up with him being reinstated.

Originally Posted by Raymond Pist

RC and online communities like it exist only because they fly under the radar of those busybodies who would like to see it censored. Just bringing it to the attention of these holier-than-thou pencil-pushers would likely be the beginning of the end of RC. (And while they look for ways to pull the plug, RC would be under such intense scrutiny, that NOBODY would feel free to speak their minds.)

Which is what you threatened to do in an email to an admin, to an email address you gained by pretending to be a female rape victim.

RC only exists because an individual is prepared to pay for it to and put the time into making it exist. Same as RB. And, in doing so, they get to set whatever arbitrary rules they want.

Originally Posted by Raymond Pist

THIS is what was done to me. Is my nose for irony really that keen, that I'm the only one who can see it? I'm going to type this next bit really slowly: THEY prevented ME from posting, sooooooooooooo my only recourse was to say "Excuse me, but if you don't allow me to post, I'll do that which is in my power to show you how it feels to not be allowed to post." It's the only option I had. While I believe in free speech on the internet, forgive me if I don't shed a tear at the prospect of those who do NOT believe in free speech being censored. Those who CLAIM to believe in free speech, but mean free speech only for themselves and not others, are much less deserving of that right.

No one actually claimed to believe in free speech.

There is no irony.

Only you can see it because you're the delusional one.

Originally Posted by Raymond Pist

I haven't threatened to shut RC down.

Yes, you have.

Originally Posted by Raymond Pist

Again, I don't know why you would endow me with such superpowers. I only threatened to bring RC to the attention of those type of people who like to shut these types of things down. And only that, IF I wasn't allowed to post there, just like everyone else who abides by the rules.

You earlier in this post said that would cause the site to be shut down and that there is a tacit admission of blackmail. Even before we get to the fallacy of you following rules.

I could go on, but Pist is a delusional liar and an insidious presence on any board he posts on.

[Grm]

An interesting discourse mr angry, angry, angry, angry, er, angrybastard. Might I ask you one question, why are you so angry?
unconvinced
Grm