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Old 03-21-2008, 06:54 AM   #181
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Stern, since you are the specialist and i am not, i wouldnt like to disagree. I believe however that the assailant's feelings could change something for the victim, at least in some cases. And the reasons are important. I may see the whole thing from a "safe" position because i never felt it in my skin -i never even imagined i could be raped- but i believe that usually one's motivation is critical when you try to figure out what really happened. I'm not trying to defend any rapist, but hell -not all cases are the same. Its not B&W. There is grey!
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In this case it is me who wouldn't want to disagree.

Of course there are no absolutes when it comes to the feelings of victims and/or their relatives. Since the question of an assailant asking the victim for forgiveness - or maybe he/she just wants to explain why he/she did whatever it is he/she did - is usually a hypothetical one it rarely comes up in real life.
I wouldn't claim however it never happens and in some cases might even give the victims and/or their relatives some sort of relief, closure, salvation, etc. ...
It may also work the other way around. Knowing the perpetrator's motive might as well increase the pain for their victims. Some sad truth more than one victim had to encounter when in court, finally listening to the assailant's statement.
Maybe being a woman renders me somewhat incapable of staying a hundred percent objective about it but I still can't see any reason (and thus possibly an excuse) for a rapist's actions and so a reason for me not to go after him/her.

Maybe Huni_Heart's question should be widened: Can you (rape victims) imagine a situation/reason to consider eventually forgiving your rapist?
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Old 03-24-2008, 11:24 AM   #183
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If you knew that somebody was a rapist, but got away with it, what would you you do, if anything, and why?
Good question.
I think if he got away with the law of the court he shouldn't get away with the law of the people or the society.

And for me I would hit him and make troubles with him when I have a suitable chance for this,specialy if he is alone,he beat a weak woman so he should face the hell of the strong men.
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But if I know the victim I'll be honored with participating in killing him or with killing him by my hand,also the law in my country is stand with the people who killed the rapist but I think I'll do this at anywhere.
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I think criminals who finally got away have two kinds of reaction. Either they realize the consequences of their action and they feel sorry -they regret it, or they think its cool and plan the next one.
In the first case, i doubt they talk about it, so its difficult for others to know they did something once. The second case is the dangerous one.
Since i am against taking the law into one's own hands, i guess keeping an eye on him and informing people who come in contact with him is the best choice. And of course, tell him that i know will give him something to be afraid of.
As he was adult and in the normal mind state"even if he was drunk,this his fault not her fault" ,he must be hold responsible for all his conducts,and he must take his punishment.

and we can open a new page with him with keeping an eye on him and informing people who come in contact with him but after he take his suitable punishment.
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Old 04-03-2008, 07:10 PM   #186
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This is me being bias, but a mans reasons (or excuses) does not change what he did.

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Maybe Huni_Heart's question should be widened: Can you (rape victims) imagine a situation/reason to consider eventually forgiving your rapist?
I'd like to answer this question personally. Many victims, including myself, often wonder why. There was a time when it used to bug me, and i felt like i'd feel so much better if i just knew why. Eventually i came to realise that finding the motive would not change the act, nor would it make me accept what had happened faster.

I think i could forgive my rapist, but not by talking to him. If i was to forgive him, it would be because i had chosen to forgive a crime he commited against me, that is prett much going to stick with me for the rest of my life.

Trauma like that is hard to forget, and "forgive and forget" usually go hand in hand, one usually stunting the other.

I also see it that rapists do not deserve my forgivness, for in my eyes, once you destroy somebody's life like that, you don't deserve to be considered alive , or human.
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it seems that this thread has kind of petered out. i want to thank everyone who chose to share their story.

before i found this site (and a similar board) it wouldnt surprise me that there was a board out there were a bunch of pervy guys (like myself) would discuss rape fantasies. However, i never imagined that there would be a community with those guys along with women who fantasize about rape as well as women who have actually been raped.

its amazing to think about
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Old 06-27-2008, 12:45 AM   #188
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Hey everyone, This is like... my third post on these forums, or any forum like this, so please bear with my stumbling silliness. I don't know if this is the appropriate thread to bring this up in. I just felt that this is an honest place to tell the truth to one another in a safe environment.

First off, I know I'd like to say that it is a very brave thing to see people who have gone through real suffering in their lives come forward and be open and honest about it with the vastness of the interwebs. I'm not happy that these events occured to you, but I am happy that you all have had the strength, courage, and power to move past those events and become stronger people, in spite of, or because of, those events.

As for myself, I have no history of physical or verbal abuse, certianly nothing that would even begin to approach the same level of the tamest true story here. My sexual experience really didn't go beyond the "Play Doctor" phase, and frankly, that's just exploration more then anything... I look back at those times and think that I was a silly child, and i was a silly child, and I kind of laugh a little about it.

My difficulty has always been correlating my fanatsies with raping a woman with my upbringing as a Christian. I don't want to turn this into a debate about anything, all I know is that I believe in Jesus and I fantasize abour raping women. It's created a very difficult situation for me simply because the two always seemed to be at odds with one another.

Now, as I've grown, and read the Bible for myself as opposed to allowing someone else to tell me what it says, I've come to realize that fantasies are fantasies and God doesn't care about fantasies. It was a large burden off my shoulders to read certian passages that Solomon wrote, as well as things about how thoughts and idle chatter don't show the measure of a person, but action does. Well my fantasies are not actions, so I've begun to explore this side of myself, which is what lead me to this forum.

It's very funny to me. In alot of ways I expected this place to be a den of debauchery and sinister intent, and in alot of ways it is. But then I find a thread like this one, and I realize that in a lot of ways it isn't. I was always taught that these kinds of fantasies were wrong because they connected to the reality, but a thread like this shows otherwise, in a stark and real way.

Here we have a group of people who have gone through some of the most trying difficulties that a person can face, and most before they are even mentally capable of defending themselves, and yet here they are, engaging in roleplay and fantasy about something that we all, universally, would not wish on our worst enemy. It's a strange sort of paradox to think, but in alot of ways I'm seeing that these fantasies are not dangerous, as I have been led to believe, but may even be healthy. A strange thing to say I suppose.

It's a silly niggling at the back of my brain though... What would God say to this? Everything I've read has shown me that He wouldn't care, he's just interested in my well being and happiness, and if I'm happy and not harming anyone else, then why do I have this silly niggling at the back of my brain? Training I suppose...

Before anyone responds to this with some kind of religious quip or arguement I'll just say again, please save your breath on it. I'm a Christian, I believe in Jesus, I believe in God, an internet forum isn't going to suddenly change that. I don't have any intent to convert anyone because there's enough information out there for you to do it yourselves at this point frankly. I'll engage in that conversation if you want, but you're not going to make a point I haven't heard before. (You can take that as a challenge if you want.)

I just happen to be a Christian who wants to come home from church and have a good time with a girl who just happens to be tied up... is that so wrong?
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Old 07-25-2008, 11:27 PM   #189
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I find this thread ,strange.I think if people need help and if writing it out here helps,well thats great,but you know people are getting off to it.I mean this is a board for rape fantasy and thats why i would think most come here.I was abused as a child and i wouldn't want some asshole enjoying what i went through....Once again im not dissing anyone here.I just feel like R.I.A.N or some other board for survivors might be a more appropriate place for help...and if you need it,i hope you get it.life is to short...
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I very much admire those who have shared here for their courage. I can't say I understand because I haven't walked in their shoes but if this helps and is a type of thereapy then I fully support them.

I know pretending it never happened and being afraid of the dark is no way to live.

Sure there are some that will get off on this thread as they will google the daily news and hope to get a real news story of rape or even go to a Rape/Sexual Assault site designed for victims and get off on that.

This thread is about the these individuals and their courage, persevereance, and overall their victory in life.
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Old 08-05-2008, 03:53 AM   #191
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^When i first came here i wanted to share what happened to me and i did in detail. Part of me liked that pepole might be getting off on it, now i just have no desire to share it...
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I guess one could think that this is a strange thread...if someone is getting off on the stories, so be it. Part of the recovery process is speaking out. I'm impressed and think that you are all very brave to confront the darkness. Never forget that what happen to you was BS and you never deserved to be treated the way you were (including the reactions of other family members/friends). Keep your heads up, there is nothing to be ashamed of.
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Old 09-07-2008, 04:27 PM   #193
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Respect to all who have shared their stories. My heart really goes out to you.
I can't even begin to understand how you must have felt and, truth be told, I hope I never find out. I used to think my childhood wasn't so great and feel sorry for myself and all that but really, I've been so lucky in that I've never had to go through anything like that and I could never inflict it on somebody else either.

I know I'm on a rape fantasy board but I would never consider actually raping anyone. The real rapists out there probably haven't stopped to consider the effect their actions have on their victims because if they thought about all the hurt they would cause, well if I thought that my actions would hurt someone so much I just couldn't do it. And no I don't "get off" on the stories here as I can separate fantasy from reality and role play from real human suffering.

I guess there are always people out there who have no regard for other people but (not to sound too preachy) they will get theirs in the end.
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Yeah, I hear ya. Fantasy is great...but it's fantasy.

I could never hurt a woman, much less a child. Purposely inflicting pain on anyone, whether be emotional manipulation or physical abuse, is the lowest way of existing.

Sometimes I think the world is run by sociopaths, victims themselves who have taken the easy way out and have become the victimizers. If you know one, don't hesitate to call them out when you're in a safe environment.

Don't take that shit from anyone. We are all better than that.
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Old 09-13-2008, 06:59 PM   #195
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I was raped by my bestfriend's father.
i have never told anyone only very recently i told my girlfriend what he did to me all those years ago........it still haunts me sometimes....
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First off, any victim of rape: Its not your fault, regardless of what you think you might have done to avoid it, stop it, etc. My heart goes out to each and every one of you. It seems as if most of you didn't have a very good support system after the event; parents not believing you, etc. That's a horrible thing to have to face on your own, and if you ever need anyone to talk to, drop me a line.

Secondly, any crime against a woman or child is unforgivable. I know God says to forgive, and I'm glad he can, because in a lot of cases, I cannot. My cousin was raped when she was eight years old...eight! If I ever even think of an eight year old as attractive, I'll go out into the street and shoot myself. If I ever find that asshole that did that to her, I'll make him a her in a heartbeat...

There's a big difference between a fantasy and something that happens in real life. A lot of us here fantasize about rape, but that doesn't make us rapists.

I applaud all of you that had the courage to post your stories on here for a large, faceless crowd to look at. That does take courage to share something traumatic that has happened to you in your life, and it's not up to me or anyone to judge you. Just know there are those of us on this board that are here for you if you need us...
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I just happen to be a Christian who wants to come home from church and have a good time with a girl who just happens to be tied up... is that so wrong?
"Flee from fornication" aside, no, there's nothing wrong with that at all.

To the victims who have shared their stories... I want to find you, knock on your front door, and give you a big squishy hug the second you open it. I was never sexually abused, but the abuse I did get over the period of a decade has left me mentally scarred to the point where I have a panic attack trying to talk about it. It doesn't just take guts, it takes BRASS BALLS to be able to share something that hurts like all holy fuck deep inside you.

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It was a large burden off my shoulders to read certian passages that Solomon wrote... I just happen to be a Christian who wants to come home from church and have a good time with a girl who just happens to be tied up... is that so wrong?
I read all your post and I can say: not at all. Go for her tiger!

And remember that Solomon guy was a very wise King. So he can't be wrong about raep.
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And felt compelled to flap my jaws via fingers on a couple of things posted.

I often pondered why I had rape fantasies - especially after being raped and sexually abused as a child. I mean - how fucked up does that seem? IT seemed majorly fucked up. I thought I was insane.

Then I figured out why.

I can control the fantasy. I can write about it. A 'psych enema' so to speak.

What I couldn't control was the babysitter's husband stuffing his fingers into my 4 year old vagina and making me sit on his lap while he dry humped me to his orgasm. I guess he felt my cunt and looked at his cock and figured he'd do serious damage if he did the deal for real. He was a slimy, fat bastard, and a prominent member of church and community.

It took me many years to remember that whole thing. It made me start to wet my bed and be afraid of the dark. I developed a speech impediment for a couple of years.. All stress related. That abuse lasted for well, ...it must have been a year and a half.

Fast forward to my mother divorcing her third husband.. I guess I was 10 or so. She went through 'boyfriends' indiscriminately. I woke one evening to some half drunk guy laying on top of me with his hand over my mouth.

His breath was foul. What he whispered to me was foul. How my mother was all passed out so and useless so he HAD to have me. How I'd be a virgin cunt and much better than her anyway. He'd be careful not to hurt me, I'd love his cock. He pushed his fingers into me and found my hymen already broken. Then I was a cockteasing slut, already not a virgin and boy howdy, I'd damn sure love his cock. He'd been worried I be too little for him but since I wasn't a virgin he could fuck me anyway he wanted to.

So he held me pinned, with a hand over my mouth and pulled my pajama bottoms all the way down, hefted up my legs a little and jammed in me. I of course was dry as a bone and hadn't even hit puberty. Didn't matter to this guy. He ripped open my shirt and bit my breasts - I wasn't even developed or anything.

It was excruitiating.

I told.

My mother didn't believe me... (rolls eyes) so many don't. Made me see a therapist who promptly asked me why I would make up such tales. I told my father and he went to court and got custody after he remarried.

Between the time I was living with my dad and up until 10 years ago.. I never remembered why exactly I went to live with him. I guess I told myself it was because my mother was going through such a hard time.

Funny how the mind works.

What's really the most horrible is when the people you trust betray you.

That's what I learned.

My father started having trouble with my stepmother.

In situations like that it's not uncommon that a father turn his daughter into his 'wife'. At least that is what I learned as a guardian ad litem for abused children. It's a common occurence within the family dynamic. Now obviously I'm talking dysfunctional family. Stepfathers do it as well.

So, from me fleeing a rape and my mother to my father - the knight in shining armour - he became a rapist.

The mindfuck of that is ugly.

Sexual abuse, assault, child abuse and rape, it steals any innocence and wonder a child has. It warps self image. I speak for myself here, but for a long time, I looked at myself as just a cunt to be used.

Leery of therapists - for reasons obvious to me anyway, I've self helped. Yes, it probably took me a lot longer to get to the healing part and to objectively speak of it, but there I am.

So.

It took a long time to understand why I had rape fantasies.

And why.

It's my way of taking control.

After all... after my rape - in fantasy - I can blow his brains out.

Interesting to note.. All three of the men that abused me are dead. All without being found out, even the guy I told on.. I wasn't believed.

Could I forgive a rapist? A child abuser? A child rapist?

Nope. Never. I don't buy that horseshit of 'what goes around comes around'. Plenty of fuckers out there living just fine with all the evil they commit. Bullit to the base of the brain, only thing that keep 'em from doing it again. God forbid they breed and make more abusers.

If I ever come upon it? I'd kill him myself for taking the life of the child. That's what he's done... whether in fact or if the kid just has to live with it. They's effectively stolen what is precious and fleeting enough as it is and made it the fault of the victim - for that is what SHE feels.

I sound bitter and really, I'm not. It's useless at this stage of my life. I fully intend to continue exploring what make me.. me, from my sexual kinks to why I behave as I do. Life is meant to be lived fully and I am not going to stint now that my ducks are in a pretty good row.

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For all of you that had the courage to post of your experience, thank you.

For those that offered such understanding and compassion, thank you.
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