A women's body: Designed for rape?

[MyNatalie]

I was pondering this over the weekend and want to get some controversy going.

My question is this: Is a women's body designed to be raped?

The facts:
1. They are weaker and cannot stop it mostly.
2. They cannot hide their arousal.
3. They are designed to cum against their will.
4. The vagina is supposed to be hidden, but if your bend them forward (the most humiliating raping pose) the vagina is suddenly completely exposed.

So, what do you think? Especially you ladies out there?

Anything to add to the list above?

[Jennevieve]

Humans in general are designed to effectively reproduce, but I actually don't agree with this at all.

1. Women are weaker because, since they bare and raise children, they were far less frequently hunters than men. We thus did not evolve to be as strong or tall as men are -- Amazon women are a different case, and similarly tended to be tall and strong.

2. Neither can men, without psychologically controlling it, which is also possible for women (you start getting horny, start thinking about things that worry you or upset you, it will most likely stop), and humans aren't designed to do anyway

3. That's just false. Every rape victim here I've ever read about has testified to the fact that it is not possible to achieve orgasm during real rape. (Of course, the vagina will still produce lubricant to protect itself against damage, but that isn't cum.)

4. Your parenthetical is complete opinion, the vagina is only hidden because of social stigma (which has nothing to do with the biological approach you're taking -- nor does humiliation), and I would argue that no, the vagina is not completely exposed in said position if one's legs are closed. And if your legs are open, the vagina would not be hidden regardless.

So, no.

Hot idea, though.

[MyNatalie]

Ahhhh so it was a rather controversial statement.

Yes the idea is very hot and I could barely stop masturbating the other day just thinking of it. And however false it is in the real world, in a rape fantasy a woman is always pictured as ready and deserving to be taken.

It is like the difference between real rape and fantasy rape.

Real rape is only ever arousing in its concept form, ie having a basic idea of what happened and the mind then turns it into fantasy. Anyone who is aroused by actual real rape which includes blood and bruising and horror is a serious danger to society.

Yet in fantasy the women rarely puts up a struggle (I can tell you that my wife will injure any man who tries it with her), they are often willing participants by the third thrust and there is often no consequences.

So let us rephrase this: In the mind of man, is a woman built to be raped? And how many woman on this forum finds the idea of being solely made for rape exciting?

[Sternenlied]

I think the idea of being created entirely for being raped is rather boring actually, taking the fun out of it.
If this would be the sole purpose of existence it would be as natural as breathing and thus not exciting at all any more. Next to the sexual act rape is about so many things more (degradation to a mere sex object, theft of your personality, etc.) ... to me all those things would be lost.
Also a women's body can only be "made to be raped" if men were "made to rape".
Technically - yes. Although I disagree with all your given reasons except a woman's body is physically weaker (mostly that is) so she can't always defend herself against an attacker (although martial arts can seriously change the odds there). THAT's a thought I might find exciting (in fantasy) ... the foreboding of an attack to come with the knowledge I am most possibly not able to defend myself.

Yet in fantasy the women rarely puts up a struggle (I can tell you that my wife will injure any man who tries it with her), they are often willing participants by the third thrust and there is often no consequences.

Only natural. Rape fantasy is a sexual fantasy while real rape is not. So if the woman is enjoying the sex during a role-play stop struggling at some point. Actually during a real rape most victims don't struggle all that long either. Not every woman's fantasies are all that similar so while one might fight all the way, another one might not put up much of a struggle at all.

And however false it is in the real world, in a rape fantasy a woman is always pictured as ready and deserving to be taken.

I am excluding myself here. You might also exclude several women here by reading stories written by them or their role-plays.
In your personal experience this might be true, it is not an absolute fact however.

[MyNatalie]

In order for me to make some of the statement I made, a measure of sweeping statement is required.

For me, the idea that a a women's body is so well suited for rape even though she does not want it to happen is a turnon.

[MARADONA]

Originally Posted by Sternenlied

I think the idea of being created entirely for being raped is rather boring actually, taking the fun out of it.
If this would be the sole purpose of existence it would be as natural as breathing and thus not exciting at all any more. Next to the sexual act rape is about so many things more (degradation to a mere sex object, theft of your personality, etc.) ... to me all those things would be lost.
Also a women's body can only be "made to be raped" if men were "made to rape".
Technically - yes. Although I disagree with all your given reasons except a woman's body is physically weaker (mostly that is) so she can't always defend herself against an attacker (although martial arts can seriously change the odds there). THAT's a thought I might find exciting (in fantasy) ... the foreboding of an attack to come with the knowledge I am most possibly not able to defend myself.



Only natural. Rape fantasy is a sexual fantasy while real rape is not. So if the woman is enjoying the sex during a role-play stop struggling at some point. Actually during a real rape most victims don't struggle all that long either. Not every woman's fantasies are all that similar so while one might fight all the way, another one might not put up much of a struggle at all.



I am excluding myself here. You might also exclude several women here by reading stories written by them or their role-plays.
In your personal experience this might be true, it is not an absolute fact however.

Probably you are right Sternenlied...but it's also truth that we are animals.
The idea to rape a woman is in our DNA/blood, yes every person is different...(thanks to god)...
but it's a fact, and we can't do nothing for change it.

[Ragman]

i don't agree with the original premise either. men and women were made for mating but not necessarily rape. I also agree with Sternenlied's original statement... If Women were designed for it.. it would take a great deal of the fun out of the fantasy.

[jackthesnipper]

Humans in general are designed to effectively reproduce, but I actually don't agree with this at all.

Women are weaker because, since they bare and raise children, they were far less frequently hunters than men. We thus did not evolve to be as strong or tall as men are -- Amazon women are a different case, and similarly tended to be tall and strong.

Not quite. Men were the hunters because they were bigger and stronger, not the other way around. No amount of physical activity can change the genes you will pass on to your offspring. And the notion of a tribe of giant warrior women is completely unfounded; the evidence points to the myth of the Amazons being the fact that some women from modern day Ukraine or Romania were included in their tribes' armies and because their presence would have been so shocking to the Greeks it would have been exaggerated in the stories they told.

[Stella Cadente]

of course its designed for rape, what else is a woman good for? (apart from cleaning of course)

[ego]

I guess the difference in bodies' size is just another nature's way to ensure reproduction... and i believe it has nothing to do with hunting and working, because lionesses are hunting but still are smaller than lions.

Nature knows no rape, this is a human invention, so making one of the sexes wanting sex and being able to take it just ensures that the job will be done.

[MARADONA]

Originally Posted by ego

I guess the difference in bodies' size is just another nature's way to ensure reproduction... and i believe it has nothing to do with hunting and working, because lionesses are hunting but still are smaller than lions.

Nature knows no rape, this is a human invention, so making one of the sexes wanting sex and being able to take it just ensures that the job will be done.

This is not true...animals rapes too...believe me

[ego]

Actually, they usually rape.
Some, have sex some times and only dolphines make love. I have seen no female animal being enraged/sad/mad/whatever for being fucked/raped however, and thats why i said nature knows no rape.
Its a very human thing.

[MARADONA]

No doubt...but trust me we are not the only evil ones here...
i have watch several docs about this stuff...and unfortunatelly i know it's for real

[CrashGirl]

Originally Posted by ego

Actually, they usually rape.
Some, have sex some times and only dolphines make love. I have seen no female animal being enraged/sad/mad/whatever for being fucked/raped however, and thats why i said nature knows no rape.
Its a very human thing.

Actually, I saw a tom cat rape a female cat once. She was screaming and scratching and trying to get away. He actually bit down on her ear and drug her away from her litter before he mounted her.

It was gross.

[cryptic]

Originally Posted by CrashGirl

Actually, I saw a tom cat rape a female cat once. She was screaming and scratching and trying to get away. He actually bit down on her ear and drug her away from her litter before he mounted her.

It was gross.

Did you know that tomcats actually have barbed penises? So once intercourse has started, there's no physical way for the female to get away until he's done.
Not without tearing herself to shreds, anyway.

Ouchness.

PS: i think it was Ego who said that dolphins are the only non-human animals known to make love.
Probably true, but i also saw a documentary that said dolphins are the only animals known to rape and even gang-rape females of the species.
And yes, the female is actually left upset by it.

[Sternenlied]

Well, the act of "rape" is forcing a sexual act upon an unwilling partner.
Consent can by definition only be given or denied by a self-conscious entity (which - concerning animals - is still in dispute).
So in my opinion it's not an "invention" by mankind but rather a premise of human existence actually.
As we all have been taught by history there is no cruelty humans are not capable of inflicting upon each other. Rape has always been a tool of power to be used against women, because - by nature - men can force themselves on women. So I'd rather turn the original statement around to "men are made to rape" instead of "woman are made to be raped". In the end responsibility is carried by the one who can do things, not the one who has to take them.

[MARADONA]

Originally Posted by Sternenlied

Well, the act of "rape" is forcing a sexual act upon an unwilling partner.
Consent can by definition only be given or denied by a self-conscious entity (which - concerning animals - is still in dispute).
So in my opinion it's not an "invention" by mankind but rather a premise of human existence actually.
As we all have been taught by history there is no cruelty humans are not capable of inflicting upon each other. Rape has always been a tool of power to be used against women, because - by nature - men can force themselves on women. So I'd rather turn the original statement around to "men are made to rape" instead of "woman are made to be raped". In the end responsibility is carried by the one who can do things, not the one who has to take them.

Yes you right...in general we are the bad ones...no doubt about it.
But girls can be very bad too...even if you are not made for fisically rape someone...you can arrive to the same result.
More than one time i heard about gang rapes made by a girl who was pist/jealous of another one...
that's pretty sick to me...for me the main problem is in our heads...
from this point of view...there is not a difference betweens us...

[ezzdx]

Originally Posted by Sternenlied

So I'd rather turn the original statement around to "men are made to rape" instead of "woman are made to be raped"

Also men aren't made to rape.

[ego]

Originally Posted by Sternenlied

Well, the act of "rape" is forcing a sexual act upon an unwilling partner.
Consent can by definition only be given or denied by a self-conscious entity (which - concerning animals - is still in dispute).
So in my opinion it's not an "invention" by mankind but rather a premise of human existence actually.
As we all have been taught by history there is no cruelty humans are not capable of inflicting upon each other. Rape has always been a tool of power to be used against women, because - by nature - men can force themselves on women. So I'd rather turn the original statement around to "men are made to rape" instead of "woman are made to be raped". In the end responsibility is carried by the one who can do things, not the one who has to take them.

You turn me on when you speak like that.

[ego]

Originally Posted by Sternenlied

Well, the act of "rape" is forcing a sexual act upon an unwilling partner.
Consent can by definition only be given or denied by a self-conscious entity (which - concerning animals - is still in dispute).
So in my opinion it's not an "invention" by mankind but rather a premise of human existence actually.
As we all have been taught by history there is no cruelty humans are not capable of inflicting upon each other. Rape has always been a tool of power to be used against women, because - by nature - men can force themselves on women. So I'd rather turn the original statement around to "men are made to rape" instead of "woman are made to be raped".

I believe modern terms become inefficient for a view on mankind. When surviving depends on a club, rape would be a futile term. A clubman would consider she belongs to him, but she would want to be owned anyway.
In a world dominated by warriors often women are not included in ethics; the same action has different effect depending on the gender. Some cultures still dispute about if women are self-conscious entities.
Even when rape/forced sex was happenning for humilliation reasons i doubt it was personal. I think it was more of a power display to her man.. being woman usually had no pride anyway.

I believe "rape" as we know it today appeard when women where approved (by society) as humans (so violence against them is considered a bad thing) and expanded quickly with the commercialization of the pussy.

I would agree with "men are made to rape"; then, its not imortant if women are made to be raped or not.