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what are your honest views on it ??

its all over the news in the uk, dont know why. me personally i couldnt care less what a women chooses to do with her own body. but at the same time it is irritating to keep hearing that it is not killing a life when it IS !! lol got to call a spade a spade !!
 
I HATE even the word abortion. I agree, it is killing a life. I dont think that there is any reason for it. If you didn't want to risk getting pregnant then DON'T have sex and you will be fine. If the child your carrying may not be the most perfect baby it doesn't mean that it doesn't have the rights to have a life.
 
Wow Clean, such a positive and thoughtful post is worthy of persiangurl. LOL!

As for abortion, it is a sad thing, but up to the individual to decide, not the government or anyone else.

And for those claiming to be against abortion, then you should be out promoting free contraception for all, not trying to ban abortions. Wherever contraception is readily available, the abortion rates drop significantly.
 
May suprise anyone who knows me, but I fully support a womans right to choose. I guess that's the difference between a conservative and a Republican. The government has no right to dictate what a woman does with her body.
 
Oh??? Dont you guys Think it is better for a MAN to make the choice for the Woman??? After all why should she have a say in it??;) :cool: :cool:
 
I am not sure if it is a killing or not, i think the "killing" term needs further definition on the specific point, but i am sure that not all killings are bad.
And sex is (to some people) the only thing they can do- besides working. They dont even have t.v, what they supposed to do when its night?
Reasons? Depends on the place. China for example has about 1,5 billion of them....
And choice should be on parents and noone else. Both parents.
 
ego said:
I am not sure if it is a killing or not, i think the "killing" term needs further definition on the specific point, but i am sure that not all killings are bad.
And sex is (to some people) the only thing they can do - besides working. They dont even have t.v, what they supposed to do when its night?
Reasons? Depends on the place. China for example has about 1,5 billion of them....
And choice should be on parents and noone else. Both parents.
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thats my point as well - i dont really give a flying hooha if a woman has one abortion or twenty, but it is a form of murder and it gets a bit boresome to hear people trying to dress it up differently to make themselves feel better.

why doesnt a women just say "yeah i know im killing my child but i have very good reason to do so" at least that would be honest

ego is right - killing isnt always bad but a spade is a spade. if by your actions alone u cause a life to cease to exist then u have committed a murder !!

is there some sort of pshycological stuff about this whole thing of admitting its murder or killing a life ?? i dont get it - its just a definition.
 
i think decisions like this should be somewhat discussed by the father of the child too... and if you got pregnant cause you cheated... it should be discussed by the father the boyfriend and the girl... cause me personally... i wouldn't wanna have to raise a baby that's not mine >.> but i also think that after the discussions a woman should look at all sides of it before making a desicion about it...
 
i'm pro-choice, but personally, i will never ever ever EVER get one.
even if i'm raped in real life and get pregnant, i couldnt do it. and it's not just a "you won't know until it happens" thought, i will NEVER get one. why kill an innocent baby when they couldnt help how they were made?.
 
Basically and logically its killing since its result is the same as if you shot someone in the head after they were born , you are depriving them of life.

its not murder though since murder is just a legal term killing is often considered legal as in war or the DP.

Murder simply means illegal killing so in nations were its legal abortion can't be defined as murder.

But the definition of killing is to deprive someone of life or to take away someones right and ability to live , ergo abortion is killing no matter how so called pro choice people try to spin it.

pro choice is also very much a false discription since abortion is about taking away the unborn persons choices.
 
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if you wanna have a kid then have a kid... if you don't wanna kid but are pregnant... then remove it... 2 kind of simple choises i'd imagine:p
if you put it as simple as this anyways
 
Joanna said:
Basically and logically its killing since its result is the same as if you shot someone in the head after they were born , you are depriving them of life.


But the definition of killing is to deprive someone of life or to take away someones right and ability to live
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Joanna, at which time do you consider the mix of corporal liquids as someone?
As long as they are mixed? Two weeks after? Two months after?
 
i hate to disaree with MDS , joanna and to a lesser extent v/f , but for me ego is pretty close to my views on it . i think he said it probably better than i could and it is close enough , that i'll let that stand as my viewpoint also . and i think the man should have a say so in it . after all if she choose to have the baby he would have to pay support on it . i think both people should have and make the choice and the rest of us stay out of it .
 
ego said:
Joanna, at which time do you consider the mix of corporal liquids as someone?
As long as they are mixed? Two weeks after? Two months after?
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pretty much as soon as conception takes place as soon as the fetus comes into existence it becomes a would be human life form.

Yeah I know it can also be argued that even sperm are potential human beings so any masturbation and non reproductive sex act could also be viewed as destroying life .

But then it can be counter argued that pro choice views are also full of double standards since under pro choice views its illegal to commit abortion after a certain amount of weeks because its form is more human like.

So are we meant to judge the right to life and humaness on pure appearence alone?

The truth is the only logical view is that abortion is always wrong or is always right at any stage and maybe killing for convience is always ok too then.

like with the underage sex thing the problem stems from the fact its a moral value and its based somewhat on emotions.

I can't really see the logic in saying abortion is fine up to a certain number of weeks but then suddenly will become killing and even murder if its commited one week later.
 
Joanna said:
Yeah I know it can also be argued that even sperm are potential human beings so any masturbation and non reproductive sex act could also be viewed as destroying life .
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No, i wouldnt take that that far, since sperm is just informations and probabilities. As far as i know, some religion(s) consider masturbation as something bad.



Joanna said:
So are we meant to judge the right to life and humaness on pure appearence alone?
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Not my intention at all. I believe to the quality of life. I cant understand why someone should give birth to a child when he cant feed the 4 previous he has. Or why we spent huge amounts of money torturing 90 years old people who have any known sickness. We move them in and out of hospitals, cut them, needle them, we put tubules and napkins on them, we plonong their life for 1-2 years but we deprive them the right to die with some dignity.
And with the same money, we could feed 10 children and prolong their life for 40 years !


Joanna said:
I can't really see the logic in saying abortion is fine up to a certain number of weeks but then suddenly will become killing and even murder if its commited one week later.
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I cant see it either and thats why i asked you. :)
 
ego said:
No, i wouldnt take that that far, since sperm is just informations and probabilities. As far as i know, some religion(s) consider masturbation as something bad.




Not my intention at all. I believe to the quality of life. I cant understand why someone should give birth to a child when he cant feed the 4 previous he has. Or why we spent huge amounts of money torturing 90 years old people who have any known sickness. We move them in and out of hospitals, cut them, needle them, we put tubules and napkins on them, we plonong their life for 1-2 years but we deprive them the right to die with some dignity.
And with the same money, we could feed 10 children and prolong their life for 40 years !



I cant see it either and thats why i asked you. :)
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yes catholics have their rules against birth control ect because they view every sperm as a life giver so shouldn't be wasted.
the whole argument that abortion is ok because the mother /parents can't feed the child doesn't really justify it.
Theres plenty of people out there who desperatly want children so the mother should put it up for afterbirth adoption if she can't keep it herself.

If one says abortion is ok just because the mother finds it inconvient to have a child then why can't she kill her born babies why can't she get an abortion after a certain amount of weeks?

Basically abortion is killing for convience and a easy way to cover up ones own mistakes and irresponsibilty.
if people don't want kids they should either avoid sex or accept that having a child is a risk of that , they shouldn't get to destroy a life just for their own convience.
When people support the right to abortion they should ask themselves if they would have wanted to be the victim of the practice their so quick to support.
few if any would say yes so why do they feel its right to support it happening to someone else?
 
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