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Luke rape stalker
03-15-2007, 08:19 PM
How do you think about this theme?

A long time i ask myself how the people in other countries think about the germans. Are we still all nazis?
For me i have to say: Its a horrible chapter in the german history and we must remember what happened. It was not right and nothing can forgive it.

But on the other side... its long long time ago, the most people who do this are already death.
Are the grandchild still guilty?

Please let me know and let me know what other people you know think about.

Andering REDDSON
03-15-2007, 08:35 PM
¿What kinda jackass is saying this? ¡LEMME AD’UM! I’m also into cannibalism you know…

And for you HEATHENS who think this- The National Socialist German Workers Party (NAZIism) has been banned upon punishment of- ¿Was it life without possibility of parole, Luke? I really don’t remember…

A shipmate of mine’s a German, as in FROM GERMANY, and she actually- She didn’t take offense, per se, but she really didn’t like that I even broached the question. She was less upset about the time I grabbed her crotch, than that question (though that’s really not a fair comparison).

Jasmine
03-15-2007, 09:52 PM
I think there are probably as many or more Nazi's in the US. No, I don't think anyone associates Germany with Nazi's. Beer maybe, but not Nazi's.

MADDOGMCMANAMAN
03-15-2007, 09:55 PM
fuck the nazi's im definitely going to come to germany...when i was growing up i used to wtch the cable channels and german films i saw were always chock full of naked women......so i am definiteley coming.......PREPARE YOUR WOMEN!!!!!! LOL

seriously though in answer to your question every1 is responsible for their own actions and the idea that modern day germany should be held responsible for little moustache's crimes is absurd!!

Sanitarium
03-15-2007, 10:14 PM
To be or became a Nazi lies in the heart not in nationality.
There are many "Nazi hearted" people all over the world. Just watch the late night news or read the papers every day and you will see what I mean.
German people is not a cruel nation, they never were I think.
And not all German Nazis were evil back then. Many of the Nazi soldiers became fanatics under the propaganda and others followed orders under fear. No Luke I don't see Germans as Nazis.

shysnale
03-16-2007, 03:52 AM
How do you think about this theme?

A long time i ask myself how the people in other countries think about the germans. Are we still all nazis?
For me i have to say: Its a horrible chapter in the german history and we must remember what happened. It was not right and nothing can forgive it.

But on the other side... its long long time ago, the most people who do this are already death.
Are the grandchild still guilty?

Please let me know and let me know what other people you know think about.
man, I'm sure you're no nazi and I'd like to meet with you

Louise
03-16-2007, 04:44 AM
What a curious thread Luke? I hope nothing has been said to make you feel this is a belief held by many!

If the people of Germany are still being held guilty for the Nazis then the British are guilty of joining the first world war which allowed the situation in Germany to become so desperate that the Nazis could come to power.

The people of Denmark should be guilty for the rape and pillaging of the Vikings.

The Italians held guilty for the destruction of the ancient Britons by the Roman army

The Spanish for the destruction of the Incan peoples

The Americans for the destruction and genocide of the native peoples of North America

The French for the chaos that Vietnam became

ETC ETC ETC!

History is to be learnt from...the question is have we learnt from our past?

tnc4fun
03-16-2007, 04:56 AM
My dad fought in WWII, in 5 theaters of operation, including D-Day and the Battle of the Bulge. He was even part of a force that liberated one of the concentration camps. Lost a lot of buddies in 4 years of war.

He never talked much about his experiences. In the early 50's he said to me that you just forgive, carrying grudges never helped anyone. In fact he had great sympathy for the average German citizen. He saw the suffering their leaders had brought upon them.

Oh, and Louise, there were people in Britain before the Celts, Angles and Saxons. Wonder who wiped them out ? ;)

dashrendar44
03-16-2007, 05:12 AM
i gotta agree and disagree with yall on this one, because it depends on who your talking to. if its a rational and fairly intelligent adult, theyll prolly just reiterate whats ben said here. but back a year or 2 ago in high school when you learnt or talked about germany, boom, nazis would come right to mind for everyone and itd somehow get worked into the convo, no matter how far off base. then again, about 85% of that school was jewish, so whaddya expect? i personally dont think all germans are nazis, they certainly arent now and while a lot of them were forced into it in WWII many of them were volunteers as well. (i mean no offence by this, im part jewish so coming from me...) i personally think hitler was a pretty great man, not for any morbid reasons like genocide, thats stupid. hes always remembered for the nazis and evil, but people forget that he essentially saved the world! if it werent for him rebulding germany and starting the war all the other economies wouldnt of kicked into gear and the depression could of potentially ended civilazition, or at least put us back a large number of decades. germany was a really depressed country, what with their super depression, i mean come on, you needed a wheelbarrow of money to buy a loaf of bread! but he gave them reasons to be happy, albiet wrong and fleeting reasons. well, those are my two cents on this lol

Louise
03-16-2007, 08:10 AM
ii personally think hitler was a pretty great man, not for any morbid reasons like genocide, thats stupid. hes always remembered for the nazis and evil, but people forget that he essentially saved the world! if it werent for him rebulding germany and starting the war all the other economies wouldnt of kicked into gear and the depression could of potentially ended civilazition, or at least put us back a large number of decades. germany was a really depressed country, what with their super depression, i mean come on, you needed a wheelbarrow of money to buy a loaf of bread! but he gave them reasons to be happy, albiet wrong and fleeting reasons. well, those are my two cents on this lol

:eek: :eek: :eek: :skull-thr

Im...Im...speechless...and im having a very fucking bad day!!!!
SO much wrong with that statement I cant begin to respond. Please...someone...anyone...I really cant...because Im so angry..;

Sternenlied
03-16-2007, 10:08 AM
Well, I can only say I live in Germany since 1998 and I never got the impression they're Nazis at all. Sure, there are always a few who don't like immigrants, there are always people who don't like Jews. But as has already been said that's in your heart, not in your nationality. Those people exist all over the world no matter where they're from.
All I know is they're very friendly people, they have their problems as everyone else does - the only exception is they care too much about all that WWII- and Nazi-history. They are afraid to let it go (I'm not talking about forgetting or something like that) but the people alive right now - about our age - mustn't put guilt for that on their shoulders, they have to let go.
On the other hand (talking about Nazis - and thus racism) my English parents hated the Germans much more than any German I ever met (even WWII-veterans) hated the English. So I have to admit (shamefully) my parents are much more racist than the German people I know.

ego
03-16-2007, 11:13 AM
Luke.
If you ask my grandmother, she will definitelly say yes. Germans brought so much pain to her. And she never meet Germans other than soldiers. So, for her, Germans = evil (and this is why i will disagree with Stern, about her parents)

But you ask me. And my answer is WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
Germans are just fine people. How did this question came in your mind?
*Hugs Luke* Forget this shit man. Germany is now one of the better supporters of a better world. For all of us!

somedude
03-16-2007, 02:12 PM
i gotta agree and disagree with yall on this one, because it depends on who your talking to. if its a rational and fairly intelligent adult, theyll prolly just reiterate whats ben said here. but back a year or 2 ago in high school when you learnt or talked about germany, boom, nazis would come right to mind for everyone and itd somehow get worked into the convo, no matter how far off base. then again, about 85% of that school was jewish, so whaddya expect? i personally dont think all germans are nazis, they certainly arent now and while a lot of them were forced into it in WWII many of them were volunteers as well. (i mean no offence by this, im part jewish so coming from me...) i personally think hitler was a pretty great man, not for any morbid reasons like genocide, thats stupid. hes always remembered for the nazis and evil, but people forget that he essentially saved the world! if it werent for him rebulding germany and starting the war all the other economies wouldnt of kicked into gear and the depression could of potentially ended civilazition, or at least put us back a large number of decades. germany was a really depressed country, what with their super depression, i mean come on, you needed a wheelbarrow of money to buy a loaf of bread! but he gave them reasons to be happy, albiet wrong and fleeting reasons. well, those are my two cents on this lol
Dash the war the Nazis started in Europe set civilization back by decades! Countless artists, scientists, mathmeticians, scholars and every other kind of thinker and doer were killed in that war and so many more went unborn because of the tens of millions of dead. Entire cultures were wiped out, cities leveled, ancient knowledge lost. Hitler was a monster who lead a pack of monsters on a rampage that left Europe an economic, politcol and social ruin to be siezed by the Soviets or rebuilt by the Marshal Plan. My two dollars!

Louise
03-16-2007, 02:14 PM
Dash the war the Nazis started in Europe set civilization back by decades! Countless artists, scientists, mathmeticians, scholars and every other kind of thinker and doer were killed in that war and so many more went unborn because of the tens of millions of dead. Entire cultures were wiped out, cities leveled, ancient knowledge lost. Hitler was a monster who lead a pack of monsters on a rampage that left Europe an economic, politcol and social ruin to be siezed by the Soviets or rebuilt by the Marshal Plan. My two dollars!

:skull-bee :skull-lov

dashrendar44
03-16-2007, 02:27 PM
lol, i guess we can agree to disagree on that, but honestly, we were led to believe that in school which now that i think of it is pretty odd.....my economics teacher(jewish) actually gave us a lecture and handouts with all these facts about theoretically what the world would of been like without WWII and it was a pretty shitty world lol. and dont get me wrong, im no supporter of nazis or neonazis, im just saying that from an economical and buisiness related standpoint he did a large amount of good(imho at least) then again, i only have 32 posts and you have 2000 and your a mod, so we will see whos opinion will shine through lol. and i do agree with you 100% about the social destruction and crippling of the human race due to him. and insignia, they only voted for him because they were giving out free food and having huge parades for them, although to hitlers credit he was a hell of an orator lol. he took power of germany too, burned down the wutchamacall it(its been ages since i learned this lol) and started oppressing everyone, but it wasnt all their choice

Louise
03-16-2007, 02:30 PM
well personally i still think some of them are nazis cause you got to remember who voted the nazi's in to power (the people) who lined the streets cheering for them when they was told of news of another victory (the people), so it wasnt as if it was really force dupon them the majority of the ppl supported them so this leads me to beleive that in these ppl minds the kids the parents who lined the streets this was a just war. so a fair few are still alive today and has there opinion really changed of the west i doubt it i still beleive they harbour those same thoughts and opinions that they had 70 yrs ago when they was lining the streets, i dont think that will change for another 20 yrs by which time everyone who was born in tht period or wud hve been old enough to make informed decisions woudl be dead then i think once they hve gone then i think the way ppl think of the germans will hve changed cuase it wud then be in history,

Lets not forget less than 30% actually voted the Nazis in...

somedude
03-16-2007, 02:36 PM
Dash the British and US economies were already in full recovery by the beginning of the war in 39! Economic recovery for the rest of the world would have taken longer, but they would have been in better shape that the devastion most of the Eurasian landmass was left in. Japan's rampage in Asia could have been curtailed by a powerful British Empire and US as well...No good came from WW2!!!

Louise
03-16-2007, 02:42 PM
lol, i guess we can agree to disagree on that, but honestly, we were led to believe that in school which now that i think of it is pretty odd.....my economics teacher(jewish) actually gave us a lecture and handouts with all these facts about theoretically what the world would of been like without WWII and it was a pretty shitty world lol. and dont get me wrong, im no supporter of nazis or neonazis, im just saying that from an economical and buisiness related standpoint he did a large amount of good(imho at least) then again, i only have 32 posts and you have 2000 and your a mod, so we will see whos opinion will shine through lol. and i do agree with you 100% about the social destruction and crippling of the human race due to him. and insignia, they only voted for him because they were giving out free food and having huge parades for them, although to hitlers credit he was a hell of an orator lol. he took power of germany too, burned down the wutchamacall it(its been ages since i learned this lol) and started oppressing everyone, but it wasnt all their choice

Again, I dissagree...economic cycles come and go, had WW2 been avoided somehow, captialism would have found a way...perhaps the earlier development of colonial territories...who knows? Even if we do argue the toss only on an economic front, the resulting disaster that led to Eastern Europe being enslaved and Soviet Russia being reinforced meant economic freedom has been perverted and retarded for 50 years.

Take the development of Jet Air craft. British engineers had plans to develop commercial Jet engines way back in the early 30s...commercial reasons as well as peacefull needs of the growing economies would have prompted their arrival even without WW2.

Sorry dash, just dont see the economic argument one little bit. It did allow the US to take over...in fact, one could argue the opposite, economically WW2 was a disaster for many areas...not least the former colonies of European powers.

ego
03-16-2007, 02:59 PM
I am going to disagree.
Not in that Hitler was a shit, but in that nothing good came.
America found a way to get involved to world affairs, something they havent done to that moment (good for US, bad for the rest)
Israel found a country (well, i am not sure this is good)
Greek poor people found jobs in ruined and rebuilding Germany.
Constructions took a huge plus after the war was over.
The hostility created between west and soviets drove them to spent a huge amount of recources (money if you prefer) on evolution.
In a world that not everyone could have access to important things, happend a deduction of demand.
A new, ballanced era raised.Countries could live in stability.

I know, it could have happen with less cruelty and ferocities.
But in general, wars are necessary from time to time.Since always it was the only way for the world to keep going.Cos you know, there is not enough food to go round.
It sounds bad, its worst if you have lost people, but its the bitter truth.

somedude
03-16-2007, 03:07 PM
Winston Churchhill himself called WW2 "The Unnecessary War"

Louise
03-16-2007, 03:16 PM
I am going to disagree.
Not in that Hitler was a shit, but in that nothing good came.
I dont think any of us would say that NOTHING good came from WW2


America found a way to get involved to world affairs, something they havent done to that moment (good for US, bad for the rest)

The US were in fact already moving out into the big bad world. They had been forced to intervene in both the Americas and the Pacific. They had already begun their bashing of European colonial nations to free their territories. They had already acted against Japan to try and constrain them (and as SD mentioned, without Hitler the British Empire in combination with the US could have slapped Japan down without the need for Atomic weapons). The US was already getting involved.


Israel found a country (well, i am not sure this is good)

Britain had already agreed to establish a "territory" for the Jewish peoples who wished to move there (again, a US demand) in the Palestine protectorate

Greek poor people found jobs in ruined and rebuilding Germany.
Constructions took a huge plus after the war was over.

OK, I cannot speak of Greek people, but I know Europe would have undergone an economic rennasiance as it emerged from the horror of the Great Depression. It is not unreasonable to assume a Greece without occupation would have benefited from the growth that would have occured during the 40s and 50s

The hostility created between west and soviets drove them to spent a huge amount of recources (money if you prefer) on evolution.

I really cant understand this at all. Money was spent on war, the pursuit of aims to spread a doctrine and subversion. Greece herself, like Italy, felt the heavy hand of CIA backed intervention in there domestic politics...

In a world that not everyone could have access to important things, happend a deduction of demand.
A new, ballanced era raised.Countries could live in stability.

Balanced? How on earth do you see it as balanced. Ask Hungarians, Italians or the millions within ex colonies that suffered the disaster that was the sudden collapse of the support networks of the now bankrupted and ruined European nations

I know, it could have happen with less cruelty and ferocities.

Yes...1989/90 saw the revolutions in Europe which swept away Soviet/Communist dictation...very little blood was shed and yet it transformed both the economy and politics of Europe...

But in general, wars are necessary from time to time.Since always it was the only way for the world to keep going.Cos you know, there is not enough food to go round. It sounds bad, its worst if you have lost people, but its the bitter truth.

:eek: I have to tell you Ego...this shocks me. People in Europe were only starving, through lack of food BECAUSE of the war...not before. Wars are sometimes necessary...it is a sad fact of humanity, but this was a war that could and should have been avoided. For the benefit of the whole of humanity...not just Europeans or those who fought in the war.

ego
03-16-2007, 03:30 PM
I will dissagree with Lou also.
How capitalism could find a way? It works today, cos its a deal between all of us:We have an x quantity, but we all consider we have 6x.If not now, we will have it later.Earlier development can only bring earlier satiation.
The disaster a war brings is temporary. The rebuild phace lasts much longer.
The fact Soviet was reinforced, is not bad.The world was desperate for a second pole.
Plus, the economic freedom capitalism grants is not necessary good.I mean, ok, a russian citizen could drive only Lada and eat meat with a ticket.But he was going to university with only measure his abilities (not his social class or the families money) and there was a free hospital for all.What i suppose to do the accumulated wealth, when half of the Americans dont have a social insurance?
And the retard in economic development was a gift for west world.Most of European countries are build by eastern workers ;)
Technology development? Nothing gives the outstanding boost to technology a war gives.
Radar, jets, gps, telecommunications, atomic energy, web, all military developed. If war didnt exist, we were still in caves.

Lou, you disappointed me.....:(

sindyloo
03-16-2007, 03:35 PM
Hey LUKE! Come here honey I think you need a big HUG and some KISSES!!:skull-lov

Dont let the actions of your ancestors bug you okay, as you werent there and you have nothing to be ashamed of! Every place has Nazis still. Hell we have them here in the Northwest but they are really racists bastards hiding behind Hitlers Ideas of a perfect race! Dont let peoples opinions get you down dear. As you and your family are so damn nice and you guys really represent Germany of Today!!:skull-thu :skull-lov


"Dont Let the SINS of the FATHERS be passed down to the CHILDREN!!":skull-coo

Sanitarium
03-16-2007, 03:36 PM
"War, father of all"
Heraklitus

Louise
03-16-2007, 03:52 PM
I will dissagree with Lou also.
How capitalism could find a way? It works today, cos its a deal between all of us:We have an x quantity, but we all consider we have 6x.If not now, we will have it later.Earlier development can only bring earlier satiation.
The disaster a war brings is temporary. The rebuild phace lasts much longer.
The fact Soviet was reinforced, is not bad.The world was desperate for a second pole.
Plus, the economic freedom capitalism grants is not necessary good.I mean, ok, a russian citizen could drive only Lada and eat meat with a ticket.But he was going to university with only measure his abilities (not his social class or the families money) and there was a free hospital for all.What i suppose to do the accumulated wealth, when half of the Americans dont have a social insurance?
And the retard in economic development was a gift for west world.Most of European countries are build by eastern workers ;)
Technology development? Nothing gives the outstanding boost to technology a war gives.
Radar, jets, gps, telecommunications, atomic energy, web, all military developed. If war didnt exist, we were still in caves.

Lou, you disappointed me.....:(

OK, so now youre defending Soviet Totalitarianism...whats the point of guaranteed university placement if you cant say or do what you want, only what you are permitted?!

Radar and Jets were invented many years before WW2. Atomic energy would have been developed, probably by a peaceful Germany actually or the UK without the war/
Its not war that produces progress, its human struggle...in all its forms...war one of them yes, but its the human spirit for improvement, driven by necessity sometimes, but by inspiration and desire more than anything else. Conflict occurs, yes, because we are essentially animals that got lucky.

I'm going to step out of this now, because quite frankly I fear we have perverted Lukes original thread. Please feel free to respond, I will not.

Ego...you dissappoint me. See...conflict...but we are able to discuss and progress our relationship without blowing the board up or threatening to kill one another! :D

ego
03-16-2007, 03:58 PM
I dont think any of us would say that NOTHING good came from WW2
I thought someone did.

(and as SD mentioned, without Hitler the British Empire in combination with the US could have slapped Japan down without the need for Atomic weapons). The US was already getting involved.
Yes, US was.My opinion is, they should be delayed or keeped off.Instead, they were given a golden opportunity.Good? for them, bad for the rest.
Why was necessary Japs to be slapped down? The answer, is the same with the answer to why that war was not unnecessary ;)
I know, history is written by winners, but fair is fair.

Britain had already agreed to establish a "territory" for the Jewish peoples who wished to move there (again, a US demand) in the Palestine protectorate
U.K was involved to that shame of humanity also?
Well, i didnt know.


It is not unreasonable to assume a Greece without occupation would have benefited from the growth that would have occured during the 40s and 50s
Greece is another story.You see, we always have to fight.If no obvious enemy around, we fight between us.....:(



I really cant understand this at all. Money was spent on war, the pursuit of aims to spread a doctrine and subversion. Greece herself, like Italy, felt the heavy hand of CIA backed intervention in there domestic politics...
War = evolution. Hard but truth.
And it was England involved in Greece, not U.S. No big difference......


Balanced? How on earth do you see it as balanced. Ask Hungarians, Italians or the millions within ex colonies that suffered the disaster that was the sudden collapse of the support networks of the now bankrupted and ruined European nations[QUOTE=Louise]

[QUOTE=Louise]:eek: I have to tell you Ego...this shocks me. People in Europe were only starving, through lack of food BECAUSE of the war...not before. Wars are sometimes necessary...it is a sad fact of humanity, but this was a war that could and should have been avoided. For the benefit of the whole of humanity...not just Europeans or those who fought in the war.
Yes, many people starved DURING the war.But 10 - 20 years after, things were much better than they would be.
Perhaps the war could be delayed.But not avoided.I think its better it happend that way.It could be really worst......

somedude
03-16-2007, 04:04 PM
Ego my one reply is at least 45 million dead in Europe....

Beyond that Germany has great beer and great sausages...Oktobberfest Rules!!!!!!:skull-roc :skull-roc :skull-roc

shysnale
03-16-2007, 04:11 PM
I think it is interesting to notice that when people talk about history horrors of the last century everybody think of Hitler and his 6 millions victims as the communists such as Mao or Stalline and others did kill more than 80 millions people.

sorry if someone told this before me in the thread but I'm too tired to read it all

somedude
03-16-2007, 04:23 PM
Actually the Nazis killed 11 million people in the death camps and at least 45 million died total during the war! And yes the communists around the world killed at least 60 million people in the 20th century!!!

Luke rape stalker
03-16-2007, 05:56 PM
whow a lot of answers!!

first i want say thank you how ever you thinking.
I´m not down because some reply, i know how we are and its enough for me. Of course we have still some nazis. What i want know is the sight of germany from the other countrys.
Hey Phantom, come to us!! we drink a beer or twenty :skull-bee and visit "tanz der vampire" the best musical ever.
Of course Jasmin come too! i have beer for you all :)
Louise you´ve right, i think the most countrys have a dark spot in their history.
Ahm... Sindyloo.. we german are NOT ALL RAPISTS!!! :D but thank you :skull-lov

Andering REDDSON
03-16-2007, 06:20 PM
"War, father of all"
Heraklitus“War…
War never changes…”
Chris AVALONE/Ron PERLMAN

shysnale
03-17-2007, 08:37 AM
Maybe the reason why Hitler always got mentioned first when the last centuries genocides are spoken is because of the aesthetics of the third Reich. I could never agree with what they did but I have to say Hitler's army was magnificent. The SS uniform, the swastika, all that was looking really good. The swastika is a strange and fascinating symbol that sticks in people mind. Also Hitler was coming up with the very disturbing idea that you can give life by killing. He clearly stated in Mein Kampf that death may be a happy thing in some circumstances. That kind of marginal thinking may also explain why he always comes to mind before the communists.

I have notice some people here have such a good knowledge of the 20th century history so I would like to request an answer for that question :

In Mein Kampf, Hitler talks about the time he ended up living on his own in Vienna after his parents death. He said he started to observe the Jewish community and he could see beyond their behaviour the ''Twisted face of Marxism". That is really something I can't understand. The Jew always been blamed for finding ways to capitalize any kind of situations, which is radically different from the Marxist ideology. I've been asking this question to some people and the only answer I've got is 'Hitler basically hated the Jew, it's as simple as that'. I don't find that answer satisfying. Hitler was a monster, but an intelligent monster. Mein Kampf is full of very interesting reflections on life, and it is hard to believe he's been so simplistic in his analysis of the Jew.

So please help me understand what the ''Twisted face of Marxism" had to do back then.

Thanks a lot

ego
03-17-2007, 10:38 AM
I don't find that answer satisfying. Hitler was a monster, but an intelligent monster. Mein Kampf is full of very interesting reflections on life, and it is hard to believe he's been so simplistic in his analysis of the Jew.
Intelligent, inshightful and with tendency to make the wrong decision.
Truth is, if he had became analist, it would be better for everyone.

what the ''Twisted face of Marxism" had to do back then.

I believe the situation in the world at early '30 was something like "more dogs than bones". Jew were another dog for the bone.He thought he could do it.
Now, who else wants his bone? Aaha, marxistes.
(marxism is a 'divine' system, cannot be applicated my most humans.It presuppose accumulation and re-distribution)
Ok, they want to share, but not with him.
For him, they are the same. Different roads, same destination.
I believe the time he took the decision to attack, he was feeling surrounded.

Sternenlied
03-17-2007, 11:10 AM
I think maybe we should agree on a few things:

1) Noone on this board (if I'm not mistaken) actually saw WWII.

2) Everything we "know" we learned from books and people telling us what happened.

3) We all know everyone (especially people who experienced WWII or some other horrible thing) puts his own - highly subjective - view on things.

4) We all know books and people may not contain the "ultimate truth" (if such a things exists).

5) So we should all be fair and remember we cannot talk from personal experience, only about things we learned and think are true.

As far as I got him Luke wanted to know what people think about Germans today, not about WWII. So maybe we should concentrate on that point. And maybe commenting on Germans should add if they ever met Germans or if they have ever been to Germany.
Second thing I want to tell you is this: I've been to school in England and after that in Germany. And German schools focus on WWII and the Third Reich much, much more objective, detailed and differentiated. History class in England was much more subjective and "anti-German". So maybe we should all remember that no knowledge is absolute ...

Rogue
03-17-2007, 11:15 AM
Peace sells, but who's buying

Louise
03-17-2007, 11:20 AM
British army recruits secret weapon to bring peace

Louise
03-17-2007, 11:29 AM
Russian counterattack!

Louise
03-17-2007, 11:30 AM
American entry into the conflict

Louise
03-17-2007, 11:30 AM
And the Chinese know their massed armies will sweep all before them...

drmephisto
03-17-2007, 11:42 AM
Way to go Louise, It always comes down to something more important than patriotism and that is SEX SELLS!!!!

Rogue
03-17-2007, 12:02 PM
Now we're talking...

http://fapomatic.com/0710/jenflag1_1.jpg

somedude
03-17-2007, 01:46 PM
The Westgarde Entry!!!:D

Louise
03-17-2007, 02:26 PM
The Westgarde Entry!!!:D

Darling...I thought you were going to keep that drawing of me private :D:D:D

somedude
03-17-2007, 03:00 PM
Well Westgarde needed an entry and it was either that or...

Luke rape stalker
03-17-2007, 09:31 PM
what i know about hitler is...

he was a perfect speaker (for his intentions) the whole think was very well planed.

First: "i´m here for you" in germany was less jobs, he give jobs for all.

Second: "the others are bad" with wrong informations like "they attack us" he get the folk on his side.

third: "i do what you expect from me" .... "ab heute wird zurück geschossen" (from today we shot back) and everyone was happy. remember the wrong infos.

fourth: fear. There was secret police and many other institutions. You can´t trust someone. If you say "hitler is shit!" he /she betray and you get executed. A lot of people have to much fear to fight him. It was dangerous to find some allied


when you see his speachs you find some intresting samples

with sad voice he say... "on the border to xx was a assault on OUR PEOPLE!!"
his voice, the loudness perfect in timing

then connections like "they against us" , WE and I`M WITH YOU


I was four years in the german army. We get lessons how to find out who is a nazi. They exaggerate extrem...
for example: "if you see someone with 88 at his (dont know the word) car indication sign(?) you must be careful!!
because the "H" is the 8th letter in the alphabet. Then means 88 = HH = Heil Hitler (the nazi greeting)

Thats one of the reasons why i want know how the others think about germany.

shysnale
03-18-2007, 10:02 AM
Intelligent, inshightful and with tendency to make the wrong decision.
Truth is, if he had became analist, it would be better for everyone.


I believe the situation in the world at early '30 was something like "more dogs than bones". Jew were another dog for the bone.He thought he could do it.
Now, who else wants his bone? Aaha, marxistes.
(marxism is a 'divine' system, cannot be applicated my most humans.It presuppose accumulation and re-distribution)
Ok, they want to share, but not with him.
For him, they are the same. Different roads, same destination.
I believe the time he took the decision to attack, he was feeling surrounded.

whow very good answer.
thanks man :skull-bee

gal4
03-23-2007, 12:47 PM
I wish to thank the Russians for defeating the Germans at Stalingrad and Kursk.

Well, the irony of all this is that one dictatorship got repulsed by another.

Sometimes I wonder if democratic governments can fight dictatorships.

Well, we shall see.

tom8517
03-23-2007, 01:36 PM
That question has been raised a number of times, do democracies have the will to sacrifice large numbers of lives to defeat a dictator who does not have to concern himself with public opinion. Of course the answer is yes.

While its true that the Soviets did most of the heavy lifting in Europe, they could not have won without the British and Americans. There is an excellent chance that without Rommel and the Afrika Korp being distratced by the British in North Africa, that these extra armoured units may have given the Germans the extra push they needed to finish Russia in '41 and '42.

Also Italy and Japan were defeated with no help whatsoever from the USSR.

ego
03-23-2007, 02:41 PM
None of the allies could won alone. Some of them (including Soviets) could defend their lands for ever, no matter how many extra panzers Hitler had.But to counterattack? No way.
I believe the important things that finally lead allies to victory, were:
The abillity of R.A.F. to defend England.
The will-power of English citizens while it was raining bombs.
The huge amount of recources and people that Soviets made Hitler spent.(ok, greece had a significant role played here, but i wont say so)
The abillity of Soviet industry to supply armies with heavy aggressive units.
The will of third countries (Canada, Australia,New Zeeland etc) to sacrifice their people in Europe.
The wrong choice Hitler made to organize himself the defence of Europe, when a landing was predictable. Rommel had suggest the fortification of north France.With him in charge, D-day would be much much more difficult.;)



Sometimes I wonder if democratic governments can fight dictatorships.
Always when defending.Never when attacking.

somedude
03-23-2007, 03:14 PM
Following L's lead...:D

innocent
03-23-2007, 03:18 PM
edited after second thoughts...

ego
03-23-2007, 03:24 PM
:eek: I thought you were the leader:(
You experience a personality crisis?